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Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by mkr-hn »

w00pla2 wrote: post #23
mkr-hn wrote: post #17

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"Nope. Journalism isn’t doing fine. The majority of papers that do good investigative journalism have serious financial problems." I did say you were looking in the wrong places. You said you weren't in the US, so I wouldn't expect you to know about what local and regional papers do. Journalism does exist, but you have to go to the locals to find it. By narrowing their focus, they're able to limit the costs. They hav…

> Journalism does exist, but you have to go to the locals to find it. By narrowing their focus, they're able to limit the costs. There are many facets of journalism (including regional papers). Regional papers are surviving. But the fact of the matter is that all papers addressing national and international issues are fading and declining (almost as fast as my Karma today). > I can't find any reference to that day's…

Are you referring to the interview with Dan Roodt?

Because if he wasn't in on the joke or was bothered by it, you'd expect to see some mention of the interview on his blog: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22daily%20show%22%20site:htt...

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by mkr-hn »

w00pla2 wrote: post #28
elblanco wrote: post #21

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> Of interviews with politicians which they obtained under false pretences? Why do you say that? I've watched TDS since before Stewart was the host. I think it's pretty clear they are a comedic satire show when they do their interviews. They stage and prompt their interviewees to make the interviews more fun. "Say, 'I like Cocaine'" "I like Cocaine" Only morons believe it's a real news show. But it does a fabulous jo…

> I think it's pretty clear they are a comedic satire show when they do their interviews. Nope. They often have interviews under false pretenses (the interviewee doesn't know he is from the daily show). The questions and the persons facial expressions) is often edited in afterwards.

Can you cite this?

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by lzw »

I wonder if you guys realize that to republicans, Rush Limbaugh is a comedian. He tells jokes, and when criticizing him to republicans, they will often say he is just making fun.

Jon stweart is the rush limbaugh of The left. And thus as appropriate on hacker news as limbaugh.

I'd like to talk about startups and technology, why do leftists keep posting leftist news stories here and then down voting everyone who doesn't goose step along with them?

I know the answer, but I wish you would keep that kind of activity in reddit/r/politics. Not here.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by mkr-hn »

lzw wrote: post #29
mkr-hn wrote: post #11

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We're not going to get anywhere with dueling anecdotes. And you're referencing things I don't recall, and I've been watching TDS for years. "But I guess that this is just how real journalism fades. Papers become bankrupt whilst people read online “news sources” such as Huffington Post or Alternet. News networks like CNN become Twitter Crazy and airs shows like The Daily Show." Journalism is doing fine. You're just lo…

Here's a citation: basically everything Stewart has said about beck is a flat out lie. Of course, Stewart is a socialist and to them, beck must be a theocrat and so they portray him as such, but realitybis, he believes in freedom of religion, not theocracy. He supports individual rights, unlike Jon stewart. So Stewart makes stuff up about, selectively edits things out of contexts, and makes fun of him. The liberals w…

I've watched his show and don't see any divergence between Jon's representations and Beck's general manner. Beck is a political comedian, and political comedians get fun poked at them by other political comedians.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by panacea »

lzw wrote: post #27
w00pla2 wrote: post #12

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I guess I will be heavily downmodded today. > According to the article, there is a 1.8 million viewer base per night. It gets viewed more often than that (through video streaming). It also appears on CNN International at different times (WTF?). Many people also watch it irregularly. > In any case, this line is a brilliant response to your claim: He just confirms what I've said, but put it more eloquently. > And I wil…

I'm an American, I used to watch the daily dhow regularly, and you are spot on. The show pretends to be giving the news, t itbis dishonest, and it essentially tells lies about others in order to mock them. If it mocked them for things they actually did, it would be one thing, but people believe that it is accurately portraying them and so it spreads misinformation as part of a hate campaign. I've studied leni reifens…

Did you seriously just compare The Daily Show to Nazi Propaganda films?

(And there's no way I accept that it's a socialist hate campaign... that's straight out of Glenn Beck rhetoric land).

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by vaksel »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #24
vaksel wrote: post #20

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1. According to a study, Daily Show viewers are more informed about current events than those that watch FOX, CNN, etc. 2. They are a comedy show, so it's ok to do that(even though they don't abuse that). FOX on the other hand does more than that, and they are supposed to be a news channel. i.e. take that Hannity clip from a few days ago: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-9-2010/are-y... (fast forward t…

According to a study, Daily Show viewers are more informed about current events than those that watch FOX, CNN, etc. Would love to see a source for that statement. If true, it's very interesting.

here you go(2nd graph):

http://people-press.org/report/319/public-knowledge-of-curre...

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by js2 »

lzw wrote: post #33

I wonder if you guys realize that to republicans, Rush Limbaugh is a comedian. He tells jokes, and when criticizing him to republicans, they will often say he is just making fun. Jon stweart is the rush limbaugh of The left. And thus as appropriate on hacker news as limbaugh. I'd like to talk about startups and technology, why do leftists keep posting leftist news stories here and then down voting everyone who doesn'…

Just flag it:

Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by mkr-hn »

lzw wrote: post #30
elblanco wrote: post #22

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> The whole fucking video pisses me off – it is such a complex subject which he is making light of (and painting a wrong picture). WTF? But yeah, let’s make fun of extremely complex and delicate subjects because our viewers will laugh! That's called comedy. Just like a caricature exaggerates features of a person to look funny, comedy often exaggerates or simplifies complex situations for laughs. (my god I can't belie…

Caricature exaggerates an aspect that exists for comedic effect. Stewart fabricates lies to denigrate political opponents for comedic effect. One is honest,the othervis dishonest.

Stewart knows his audience. They're the sort of people who go looking for longer clips of stuff like that, so he's less concerned with accuracy and more so with comic effect.

Those 20 somethings (myself included) I mentioned readily criticize him whenever he misquotes or misrepresents. But it's still funny.

It's a comedy show, not a news show.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by w00pla2 »

mkr-hn wrote: post #31
w00pla2 wrote: post #23

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> Journalism does exist, but you have to go to the locals to find it. By narrowing their focus, they're able to limit the costs. There are many facets of journalism (including regional papers). Regional papers are surviving. But the fact of the matter is that all papers addressing national and international issues are fading and declining (almost as fast as my Karma today). > I can't find any reference to that day's…

Are you referring to the interview with Dan Roodt? Because if he wasn't in on the joke or was bothered by it, you'd expect to see some mention of the interview on his blog: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22daily%20show%22%20site:htt...

I am no fan of Roodt, but the Daily Show did its best to misrepresent his nuanced view.

Here is a really bad translation on his website (praag.co.za):

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&h...

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by lzw »

panacea wrote: post #35
lzw wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an American, I used to watch the daily dhow regularly, and you are spot on. The show pretends to be giving the news, t itbis dishonest, and it essentially tells lies about others in order to mock them. If it mocked them for things they actually did, it would be one thing, but people believe that it is accurately portraying them and so it spreads misinformation as part of a hate campaign. I've studied leni reifens…

Did you seriously just compare The Daily Show to Nazi Propaganda films? (And there's no way I accept that it's a socialist hate campaign... that's straight out of Glenn Beck rhetoric land).

Absolutely, and I say this as one who studied many semesters in college the films of Germany, Nazi, pre-Nazi and post Nazi.

Of course you won't accept it as a socialist hate campaign.

Do you think that Germans are genetically predisposed to fascism? Do you think they are weak or inferior to Americans in some way? How is it, do you suppose, that they let Nazis take power, and commit such massive crimes?

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