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Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by elblanco »

w00pla2 wrote: post #9
mkr-hn wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're making a lot of claims that don't make sense. "A large part of 20 somethings use this as their main news source." I'm a 20 something and know quite a few of them. You'd think that if this were true, my group of 50 or so would show at least one who treats TDS as anything more than a comedy show. They may use it as a starting point for stories they didn't know about, but you would be laughed out of the room if y…

> I'm a 20 something and know quite a few of them. Quite a few of my friends view this as a "serious" news show. If you do not believe this, look at any large social site such as Reddit (where the Daily Show is taken as a serious news source). > Just like a comedy show. Of interviews with politicians which they obtained under false pretences? The objective of the Daily Show is to make one ideological grouping laughab…

> Of interviews with politicians which they obtained under false pretences?

Why do you say that? I've watched TDS since before Stewart was the host. I think it's pretty clear they are a comedic satire show when they do their interviews. They stage and prompt their interviewees to make the interviews more fun.

"Say, 'I like Cocaine'"

"I like Cocaine"

Only morons believe it's a real news show. But it does a fabulous job, through comedy and satire, at revealing the uncomfortable hypocrisy that underlies an awful lot of news and politics.

There are tons of comedy shows that dip into politics. Lampooning politicians is probably one of the oldest and most common forms of comedy. I won't even attempt to list some, you'd have to be willfully trying to avoid it if you aren't aware of this.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by elblanco »

w00pla2 wrote: post #15
mkr-hn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're not going to get anywhere with dueling anecdotes. And you're referencing things I don't recall, and I've been watching TDS for years. "But I guess that this is just how real journalism fades. Papers become bankrupt whilst people read online “news sources” such as Huffington Post or Alternet. News networks like CNN become Twitter Crazy and airs shows like The Daily Show." Journalism is doing fine. You're just lo…

> Journalism is doing fine. You're just looking in the wrong places. Nope. Journalism isn’t doing fine. The majority of papers that do good investigative journalism have serious financial problems. > Can you cite something? Here is a good example: Daily Show of 13 July 2010. A large part deals with racism in South Africa and race relations. The author paints a completely wrong picture (of an incredibly difficult and…

> The whole fucking video pisses me off – it is such a complex subject which he is making light of (and painting a wrong picture). WTF? But yeah, let’s make fun of extremely complex and delicate subjects because our viewers will laugh!

That's called comedy.

Just like a caricature exaggerates features of a person to look funny, comedy often exaggerates or simplifies complex situations for laughs. (my god I can't believe I have to explain this, I'm suddenly teaching humor to Data from Star Trek).

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by w00pla2 »

mkr-hn wrote: post #17
w00pla2 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Journalism is doing fine. You're just looking in the wrong places. Nope. Journalism isn’t doing fine. The majority of papers that do good investigative journalism have serious financial problems. > Can you cite something? Here is a good example: Daily Show of 13 July 2010. A large part deals with racism in South Africa and race relations. The author paints a completely wrong picture (of an incredibly difficult and…

"Nope. Journalism isn’t doing fine. The majority of papers that do good investigative journalism have serious financial problems." I did say you were looking in the wrong places. You said you weren't in the US, so I wouldn't expect you to know about what local and regional papers do. Journalism does exist, but you have to go to the locals to find it. By narrowing their focus, they're able to limit the costs. They hav…

> Journalism does exist, but you have to go to the locals to find it. By narrowing their focus, they're able to limit the costs.

There are many facets of journalism (including regional papers). Regional papers are surviving. But the fact of the matter is that all papers addressing national and international issues are fading and declining (almost as fast as my Karma today).

> I can't find any reference to that day's episode or the clip you mention. Can you be more specific by providing a link?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-5-2010/oliver---w...

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by DanielBMarkham »

vaksel wrote: post #20
w00pla2 wrote: post #6

John Stewart’s show is probably the worst show that someone could create. He does not even attempt to be objective. A large part of 20 somethings use this as their main news source. It is sad when people are not willing to watch news for news’ sake (instead of having it mixed with comedy – like a child gets medicine mixed with syrup). And whilst the Daily Show serves as the main news source for many of 20 somethings,…

1. According to a study, Daily Show viewers are more informed about current events than those that watch FOX, CNN, etc. 2. They are a comedy show, so it's ok to do that(even though they don't abuse that). FOX on the other hand does more than that, and they are supposed to be a news channel. i.e. take that Hannity clip from a few days ago: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-9-2010/are-y... (fast forward t…

According to a study, Daily Show viewers are more informed about current events than those that watch FOX, CNN, etc.

Would love to see a source for that statement. If true, it's very interesting.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by DanielBMarkham »

vaksel wrote: post #20
w00pla2 wrote: post #6

John Stewart’s show is probably the worst show that someone could create. He does not even attempt to be objective. A large part of 20 somethings use this as their main news source. It is sad when people are not willing to watch news for news’ sake (instead of having it mixed with comedy – like a child gets medicine mixed with syrup). And whilst the Daily Show serves as the main news source for many of 20 somethings,…

1. According to a study, Daily Show viewers are more informed about current events than those that watch FOX, CNN, etc. 2. They are a comedy show, so it's ok to do that(even though they don't abuse that). FOX on the other hand does more than that, and they are supposed to be a news channel. i.e. take that Hannity clip from a few days ago: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-9-2010/are-y... (fast forward t…

According to a study, Daily Show viewers are more informed about current events than those that watch FOX, CNN, etc.

Would love to see a source for that statement. If true, it's very interesting.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by mkr-hn »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #24
vaksel wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. According to a study, Daily Show viewers are more informed about current events than those that watch FOX, CNN, etc. 2. They are a comedy show, so it's ok to do that(even though they don't abuse that). FOX on the other hand does more than that, and they are supposed to be a news channel. i.e. take that Hannity clip from a few days ago: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-9-2010/are-y... (fast forward t…

According to a study, Daily Show viewers are more informed about current events than those that watch FOX, CNN, etc. Would love to see a source for that statement. If true, it's very interesting.

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-09-28/entertainment/comedy.poli...

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by lzw »

w00pla2 wrote: post #12
binarymax wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article, there is a 1.8 million viewer base per night. So a large part of 20-somethings is innacurate. Maybe a large part of 20-somethings you know? In any case, this line is a brilliant response to your claim: “We’re not provocateurs, we’re not activists; we are reacting for our own catharsis,” Stewart says. “There is a line into demagoguery, and we try very hard to express ourselves but not move in…

I guess I will be heavily downmodded today. > According to the article, there is a 1.8 million viewer base per night. It gets viewed more often than that (through video streaming). It also appears on CNN International at different times (WTF?). Many people also watch it irregularly. > In any case, this line is a brilliant response to your claim: He just confirms what I've said, but put it more eloquently. > And I wil…

I'm an American, I used to watch the daily dhow regularly, and you are spot on.

The show pretends to be giving the news, t itbis dishonest, and it essentially tells lies about others in order to mock them.

If it mocked them for things they actually did, it would be one thing, but people believe that it is accurately portraying them and so it spreads misinformation as part of a hate campaign.

I've studied leni reifenstahl as well, and this is propaganda of e highest order. Only instead of targeting Jews, it targets anyone who is not a socialist.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by w00pla2 »

elblanco wrote: post #21
w00pla2 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm a 20 something and know quite a few of them. Quite a few of my friends view this as a "serious" news show. If you do not believe this, look at any large social site such as Reddit (where the Daily Show is taken as a serious news source). > Just like a comedy show. Of interviews with politicians which they obtained under false pretences? The objective of the Daily Show is to make one ideological grouping laughab…

> Of interviews with politicians which they obtained under false pretences? Why do you say that? I've watched TDS since before Stewart was the host. I think it's pretty clear they are a comedic satire show when they do their interviews. They stage and prompt their interviewees to make the interviews more fun. "Say, 'I like Cocaine'" "I like Cocaine" Only morons believe it's a real news show. But it does a fabulous jo…

> I think it's pretty clear they are a comedic satire show when they do their interviews.

Nope. They often have interviews under false pretenses (the interviewee doesn't know he is from the daily show). The questions and the persons facial expressions) is often edited in afterwards.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by lzw »

mkr-hn wrote: post #11
w00pla2 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm a 20 something and know quite a few of them. Quite a few of my friends view this as a "serious" news show. If you do not believe this, look at any large social site such as Reddit (where the Daily Show is taken as a serious news source). > Just like a comedy show. Of interviews with politicians which they obtained under false pretences? The objective of the Daily Show is to make one ideological grouping laughab…

We're not going to get anywhere with dueling anecdotes. And you're referencing things I don't recall, and I've been watching TDS for years. "But I guess that this is just how real journalism fades. Papers become bankrupt whilst people read online “news sources” such as Huffington Post or Alternet. News networks like CNN become Twitter Crazy and airs shows like The Daily Show." Journalism is doing fine. You're just lo…

Here's a citation: basically everything Stewart has said about beck is a flat out lie. Of course, Stewart is a socialist and to them, beck must be a theocrat and so they portray him as such, but realitybis, he believes in freedom of religion, not theocracy. He supports individual rights, unlike Jon stewart.

So Stewart makes stuff up about, selectively edits things out of contexts, and makes fun of him. The liberals who watch think it is real and beck gets less credibility among them, even though vie yet to meet one who could accurately describe becks actual positions.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by lzw »

elblanco wrote: post #22
w00pla2 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Journalism is doing fine. You're just looking in the wrong places. Nope. Journalism isn’t doing fine. The majority of papers that do good investigative journalism have serious financial problems. > Can you cite something? Here is a good example: Daily Show of 13 July 2010. A large part deals with racism in South Africa and race relations. The author paints a completely wrong picture (of an incredibly difficult and…

> The whole fucking video pisses me off – it is such a complex subject which he is making light of (and painting a wrong picture). WTF? But yeah, let’s make fun of extremely complex and delicate subjects because our viewers will laugh! That's called comedy. Just like a caricature exaggerates features of a person to look funny, comedy often exaggerates or simplifies complex situations for laughs. (my god I can't belie…

Caricature exaggerates an aspect that exists for comedic effect.

Stewart fabricates lies to denigrate political opponents for comedic effect.

One is honest,the othervis dishonest.

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