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Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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My fear is that the future of work for most people is not unemployment, but shitty jobs like this. My feeling is that in order to avoid this and prosper, the people need to own the robots that do all the work (Marxism heyy). If robots provide huge productivity gains, then they will provide those gains for their owners. If it’s the big corporations that own them, they will see the gains. But as long as people are trea…

Did the blue-haired girl in the photo pee in a bottle or is that just a typical example of a warehouse employee? I wonder how she feels looking down into the dead eyes of that Toy Story "Woody" toy?

Incidentally, the wide mouthed Gatorade type bottles are best for peeing in.

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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My fear is that the future of work for most people is not unemployment, but shitty jobs like this. My feeling is that in order to avoid this and prosper, the people need to own the robots that do all the work (Marxism heyy). If robots provide huge productivity gains, then they will provide those gains for their owners. If it’s the big corporations that own them, they will see the gains. But as long as people are trea…

Well, Marx and Engels did accurately identify that a large reserve of under-employed workers, or people who didn't previously participate in the labor force, is what enables the most exploitative jobs. All necessities in life cost money: food, housing, childcare, healthcare; and those in the most precarious social positions are the people most willing to accept abusive employment for reasons directly tied to their su…

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Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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I peed in bottles (while driving) for fear that I would miss the date I was driving to (and already late).

Maybe I should write an article on brutal conditions of city living and online dating to get people to feel sorry for me.

If you don't want a job at Amazon's shit hole warehouse, then why the fuck do you go in everyday? At least their putting your dumbass to meaningful production sinve obviously you are too stupid to work anywhere else.

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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As I replied to the parent, the laundry list of items is a little odd, since, in the US at least, the only thing there that's protected by law are the workplace health and safety standards. And... I guess I must not be as optimistic as you are. If we didn't have things like OSHA, I do not expect that most workplaces would act in the best interests of their workers' health and safety. Look at countries where there are…

Minimum wage is certainly protected by law. Look at countries where there aren't OSHA-like laws and see how well they do there That's exactly my point though isn't it? We still rely on goods produced in those places, we just don't have any visibility into the conditions they are produced in. We've just offshored the suffering, not alleviated it.

I'm fully agreed with this. The question is then what are the ways we can improve the working/living conditions of people around the world. The way workers around the world have fought for better conditions is by using their ability to withhold labor and collectively bargain with the capitalist class.

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How much do you think raw materials are going to cost in a world with free labor? What's to stop rich people from just buying up all the resources? With free labor they can use as much resources as they get their hands on. There are structural problems in our society that cannot be solved with new technology.

Space is big. The asteroid belt plus robotics. There is a lot of energy from the sun. There is a lot of iron.

Fully Automated Space Communism.

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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> You don't see labor getting handouts in the form of welfare and then pulling millions of dollars in bonuses the next year. Depends on what you consider social expenditures in the us like food stamps, social programs, medicaid , medicare and social security. > Fighting capital is like fighting your brother for inheritance when your brother won the lottery, you are on welfare cause of a disability, and your brother d…

More competition has not lead to better conditions for workers. We are currently at such a low level of employment that economists don't know what the natural level of employment is anymore and this is still happening to employees. You're argument that "they would have had it worse" assumes that that Amazon wouldn't have employees these people if they were only making billionaires instead of people worth 100s of bill…

> More competition has not lead to better conditions for workers. We are currently at such a low level of employment that economists don't know what the natural level of employment is anymore and this is still happening to employees.

95% extreme poverty to 5%, much higher life expectancy, exponential wealth growth and low unemployement. Your first sentence plainly contradicts reality 100%.

> You're argument that "they would have had it worse" assumes that that Amazon wouldn't have employees these people if they were only making billionaires instead of people worth 100s of billions. How is western society making more money and goods than ever but the average worker is doing worse while the richest are getting richer than ever?

Because thats not whats happening. Wages stagnated while half of the population entered the workforce worldwide-> if women went back to the employement levelts of the 70's you would find wages would grow quite a bit! An that is only one of the causes: another is that such propaganda always talks about the US, but doesnt see that wages of poorest countries in south east asia, or china, have grown enormously since the 70s by basically providing cheap clothes and goods to the US.

> Unfettered capitalism doesn't lead to all boats rising

That has been the reality since its inception. This is what the people that repeat that "trickle down doesnt work" end up believing. The unnuanced opinion that if someone has money, he has wealth (which is wrong) and if someone has wealth he has stolen (wrong again) and if wealth were distributed it would be better for all (wrong again).

> To state that, in an era of less regulation than in America's golden age where we see the average citizen's life stagnating or even getting worse, we need even less regulation so that the people who are worth more than entire countries can compete better is at best putting your head in the sand and at worst being actively against your fellow man

The us is not in an era of low regulation. The Us is super regulated both federally and state level. You need to train 1500 hours in an apprenticeship to be a hair stylist in california. You cant import drugs from abroad without extreme FDA regulatory costs. Doctors from outside the US need to do a residency again to be able to get a medical license in the US. Cities indulge in nymbism to be rentist about land. Taxes have regressive implementations the state economists recognize but they cant subsistitute with simpler and fairer taxes due to legal, political and tax regulations. The us has immigration quotas, for christ sake.

The US government spends 37% of gdp. 37%! The government consumes all the wealth of billionaires together every year. You would wipe out all the billionaires in the world in one year of tax breaks for everyone in the us. The next year there are no more billionaires and you still have to pay the same taxes.

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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Minimum wage is certainly protected by law. Look at countries where there aren't OSHA-like laws and see how well they do there That's exactly my point though isn't it? We still rely on goods produced in those places, we just don't have any visibility into the conditions they are produced in. We've just offshored the suffering, not alleviated it.

I'm fully agreed with this. The question is then what are the ways we can improve the working/living conditions of people around the world. The way workers around the world have fought for better conditions is by using their ability to withhold labor and collectively bargain with the capitalist class.

And they should continue to do that. In fact this works quite well without government interference (labour/union law) or even in spite of it (See the Indian independence movement). I'm suggesting we need the government to protect us from violence when negotiations go awry, not to interfere in said negotiations between free private entities.

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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> the suppliers of labor and capital are on opposing sides of the fight to capture the wealth the two are used together to create. Opposing sides or collaborators? Like the sun and the soil working together.. Think of those that provide no labor and no capital yet capture great value. Those are the truly destructive.

And in virtue of what does the capitalist provide capital?

In the virtue of saving from consumption. When a man does not consume his produce and stores some to build a tool, he has created capital. What a monster he is! His tool should be destroyed for the betterment of humanity and equality!

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Expand the limits of democracy as a way to vote expropiation? When democracy is used to plunder, there is no way back. It will be living for the purpose of robbing others, and the poor have never fared well in such systems. We live in a world with relative freedom but still very constrained. Look at the US spending 25% of its GDP through the state. And european countries reach 40 and even 50%! Half of every thing pro…

What has more concentration of power, monarchies or representational democracies? I'm suggesting that we can create a new form of governing that further decentralizes power.

Democracies are not powerful with a strong central government. If everyone votes something the state cant enforce, it would be pointless.

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Seattle might not be the most expensive city to lie in but it is right up there. Same price as LA accoring to this data: https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator/compare... And depending on how you break this list down (Exclude Bermuda from North American cities,bundle Bellevue/Seattle, Brooklyn NYC) it's in the top 10 https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/region_rankings.jsp?ti...

Then again, it's quite a bit higher... "Cost of a gallon of gas in Seattle: $2.40"... try $3.79 this weekend.

I bet those gas prices are fixed to some point in time. Might be too much work to keep up to date gas prices but not instantaneously update other parameters.
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