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Re: Chinese Workers Who Assemble Designer Bags in Italy

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Post by baud147258 »

EastLondonCoder wrote: post #10
KingBluetooth wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't compare the right-wing in Europe and United States. For example in Sweden our right win party SD is much less about the free market and small government policies. Instead I would say the main goal of SD is to preserve Swedens generous welfare society.

Thats an odd way of looking at SD. There is a clear macroeconomic consensus that immigration is good for the economy as a whole, the GDP growth Sweden has enjoyed strongly support this. An SD government would be a threat to the Swedish welfare society. This is a party started not by right leaning nationalists but by actual nazis. Gustav Ekström, one of the founders of the party was a volunteer in the Waffen-SS in 194…

>immigration is good for the economy as a whole

Or migrants will prefer countries which currently have robust economies, so more opportunities for them? Correlation does not imply causation.

Re: Chinese Workers Who Assemble Designer Bags in Italy

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Post by lvoudour »

wenc wrote: post #17
baybal2 wrote: post #11

Chinese owned a big chunk of Italian textile industry for quite a while. For at least 12~14 years, a big portion of made in Italy stuff were Chinese made. Owning a factory in Italy can be quite cheaper than to do so in China, to a lot of people's surprise. An added benefit to it is that you can claim "Italian quality" For more on topic stuff, if you are a Vancouverite, you can visit an Italian cafe by Gastown Starbuc…

There's a town near Florence called Prato that has a large population of Wenzhou Chinese. Most work in the textile industry. If you visit Milan's Chinatown, it is full of textile and clothing shops as opposed to most Chinatowns around the world which are dominated by food and grocery stores.

>There's a town near Florence called Prato that has a large population of Wenzhou Chinese. Most work in the textile industry.

That's exactly what the article is about :)

Re: Chinese Workers Who Assemble Designer Bags in Italy

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Post by lormayna »

wenc wrote: post #17
baybal2 wrote: post #11

Chinese owned a big chunk of Italian textile industry for quite a while. For at least 12~14 years, a big portion of made in Italy stuff were Chinese made. Owning a factory in Italy can be quite cheaper than to do so in China, to a lot of people's surprise. An added benefit to it is that you can claim "Italian quality" For more on topic stuff, if you are a Vancouverite, you can visit an Italian cafe by Gastown Starbuc…

There's a town near Florence called Prato that has a large population of Wenzhou Chinese. Most work in the textile industry. If you visit Milan's Chinatown, it is full of textile and clothing shops as opposed to most Chinatowns around the world which are dominated by food and grocery stores.

I'm from Prato. The Chineses do not produce fabrics in Prato, they just sewing clothes.

Re: Chinese Workers Who Assemble Designer Bags in Italy

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Post by KingBluetooth »

EastLondonCoder wrote: post #10
KingBluetooth wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't compare the right-wing in Europe and United States. For example in Sweden our right win party SD is much less about the free market and small government policies. Instead I would say the main goal of SD is to preserve Swedens generous welfare society.

Thats an odd way of looking at SD. There is a clear macroeconomic consensus that immigration is good for the economy as a whole, the GDP growth Sweden has enjoyed strongly support this. An SD government would be a threat to the Swedish welfare society. This is a party started not by right leaning nationalists but by actual nazis. Gustav Ekström, one of the founders of the party was a volunteer in the Waffen-SS in 194…

SD has a very dark and disturbing history I think we can all agree to that but they have cleaned up and become a different party then before. They are now for example proponents of "open swedishness" where ethnicity have no bearing on if you are Swedish. http://www.lt.se/opinion/debatt/sd-ar-for-en-oppen-svenskhet

"Its overwhelmingly clear the main reason for the party is to turn Sweden into some sort of white nationalist fantasy where anyone with a brown face is not welcome. "do you really believe this?

Maybe it wasn't clear in my original reply but to me it seems SD thinks the way to save the Swedish welfare state is reduced immigration.

Immigration can be good for the economy sure, but in my opinon you can't just state that all immigration is good for the economy as a whole. Just today a report from Konjunkturinstitutet came that said that warns that if more immigrants don't get jobs the taxes will have to be higher. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/ekonomi/konjunkturinstitutet-darf...

In the paper Refugee immigration and public finances in Sweden by Ruist, Joakim. The cost is refugee immigration and their family members is calculated to 1 % of BNP in the year 2007.

Re: Chinese Workers Who Assemble Designer Bags in Italy

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Post by forkLding »

padobson wrote: post #2

As I read this, the New Yorker seemed to highlight the problems from a more leftist, social safety net perspective. The Chinese immigrants circumvented the tax code in every way they could - working under the table, starting unregistered businesses in garages and vans, living in the garages and vans, even dying secretly so their passports could be repurposed for new immigrants. This meant hospitals and other public s…

Left wing and right wing in my head has always been ivory tower speak, if one is to define left wing and right wing, one would always get distinct definitions. However if one was to rely on the right or left wings for living reasons, or for work or for any realistic situation, one would be hard-pressed to survive, thus left or right wing is only a perspective adopted by those with time as even your average hardworking white-collar investment banker has no time to play in politics.

Economics in its original state is not meant to be tainted by politics (this you can find online) as economy tainted with politics is biased and true economists dont follow party lines.

Re: Chinese Workers Who Assemble Designer Bags in Italy

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Post by tyu100 »

lvoudour wrote: post #22
wenc wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a town near Florence called Prato that has a large population of Wenzhou Chinese. Most work in the textile industry. If you visit Milan's Chinatown, it is full of textile and clothing shops as opposed to most Chinatowns around the world which are dominated by food and grocery stores.

>There's a town near Florence called Prato that has a large population of Wenzhou Chinese. Most work in the textile industry. That's exactly what the article is about :)

This was one of the best didn't read the articles I've seen in a while.

Re: Chinese Workers Who Assemble Designer Bags in Italy

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Post by kiliantics »

forkLding wrote: post #26
padobson wrote: post #2

As I read this, the New Yorker seemed to highlight the problems from a more leftist, social safety net perspective. The Chinese immigrants circumvented the tax code in every way they could - working under the table, starting unregistered businesses in garages and vans, living in the garages and vans, even dying secretly so their passports could be repurposed for new immigrants. This meant hospitals and other public s…

Left wing and right wing in my head has always been ivory tower speak, if one is to define left wing and right wing, one would always get distinct definitions. However if one was to rely on the right or left wings for living reasons, or for work or for any realistic situation, one would be hard-pressed to survive, thus left or right wing is only a perspective adopted by those with time as even your average hardworkin…

Sorry, but this is just nonsense. And it's the kind of nonsense that we are being taught to believe for a reason. 100 years ago, almost every worker, down to the most menial of labourers, did care about "left vs right". These kind of talking points that tell hardworking people they don't have to care about politics is exactly why hardworking people aren't forming unions and have been getting the shit end of the stick in society for the last few decades.

The personal is political and politics has everything to do with living conditions. It's easy for people in cushy programming jobs to pretend that politics and work are separate. But when politicians can set your minimum wage, your benefits, and other workplace conditions, it becomes an important factor that isn't just "academic".

Re: Chinese Workers Who Assemble Designer Bags in Italy

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Post by Cyph0n »

eecc wrote: post #24
nepotism2018 wrote: post #13

Film Camorra has a dialog based on this! its a must watch!

You're probably referring to Gomorra, based on a novel by Roberto Saviano - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0929425/

There is also a TV show which I honestly think is much better than the movie.

Re: Chinese Workers Who Assemble Designer Bags in Italy

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Post by forkLding »

kiliantics wrote: post #28
forkLding wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Left wing and right wing in my head has always been ivory tower speak, if one is to define left wing and right wing, one would always get distinct definitions. However if one was to rely on the right or left wings for living reasons, or for work or for any realistic situation, one would be hard-pressed to survive, thus left or right wing is only a perspective adopted by those with time as even your average hardworkin…

Sorry, but this is just nonsense. And it's the kind of nonsense that we are being taught to believe for a reason. 100 years ago, almost every worker, down to the most menial of labourers, did care about "left vs right". These kind of talking points that tell hardworking people they don't have to care about politics is exactly why hardworking people aren't forming unions and have been getting the shit end of the stick…

Saying you are left wing or saying you are right wing wont get you a job is my summarization, its interesting dinner talk.

I cant directly survive on left or right wing politics unless Im a political commentator but you're right in that I'm indirectly affected. Its almost like religion, just because I'm Christian doesnt put food on my table but Christianity affects the culture and society I'm in but I have to be a programmer to actually get a job that pays.

You cant apply to jobs saying you're right wing or left wing, all in all people overestimate the 'wings' for their own life.

What I hate about modern politics is that people treat it almost like religion, and never question decisions just because its in their own party lines and to follow their party leaders.

Left wing, liberals, right wings, or conservative, these are just titles now, but can be fought like Christians and Muslims in the Crusades. Politics isnt blindly following a doctrine or a party like a religion, if people lose the ability to question their own leaders' decisions and instead just faithfully follow, what is the point of separating church from state.

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