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Re: I was Zuckerberg’s speechwriter

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I feel like early FB culture had quite a few of the signs of a cult. Like legit, almost religious, cult.

Not just “early”. If you talk to FB employees they do really seem to believe they’re “changing the world”, and that their product is a gift to mankind rather than an abomination.

Re: I was Zuckerberg’s speechwriter

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post #7

Quote from the article: Cambridge Analytica is a scandal that isn’t a scandal: Everyone who has ever worked on or with the Facebook platform knew that for several years, the platform made data available to third-party developers by design. Why is this news and a problem now? What made the sky fall? If everyone knew, then why has someone been picked to be the bad guy now ?

Reducing this problem to tribalistic "oh u mad because trump won!!" is infantile and absurdly counterproductive. Which is of course why its brought up so much...

Apologies to USA's readers, no disrespect, I am merely trying to put some sense into throwaway2048's brain :)

Dear TA2048,

In some/many parts of this planet we don't give a poop about who is the President of the US-of-A.

But we care for our own elections (see UK referendum, Greek referendum, Catalonia referendum, elections in Austria, Hungary, Italy, etc.)

The problem surfaced NOW, and NOW we are dealing with it. We can't turn back time. Not even slow it down. But we can try/make sure it won't happen again, or at least reduce its impact.

Kind regards, Someone-who-believes-in-democracy

Re: I was Zuckerberg’s speechwriter

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't just FB. the trend was "openness", let the world know everything you do. It was actively pushed by all the media who are today accusing FB of going to far. When facebook was doing everything in and out of the books to grow faster and faster (such as allowing zynga to force-invite your friends to their games) , they were all looking the other way, because they saw a massive source of traffic that they could…

People sounded the alarm many years ago. EFF from 2009 "predicted" a CA-like event would happen as a direct result of FB policy changes: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/12/facebooks-new-privacy-... Rest assured, not everyone in technology openly embraced the externality-disregarding "move fast and break things" ideology that took hold of SV in the last decade or so.

> Rest assured, not everyone in technology openly embraced the externality-disregarding "move fast and break things" ideology that took hold of SV in the last decade or so.

To be honest tho, like I can't blame them, I dont think they were aware of the consequences this might have.

Re: I was Zuckerberg’s speechwriter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reducing this problem to tribalistic "oh u mad because trump won!!" is infantile and absurdly counterproductive. Which is of course why its brought up so much...

Apologies to USA's readers, no disrespect, I am merely trying to put some sense into throwaway2048's brain :) Dear TA2048, In some/many parts of this planet we don't give a poop about who is the President of the US-of-A. But we care for our own elections (see UK referendum, Greek referendum, Catalonia referendum, elections in Austria, Hungary, Italy, etc.) The problem surfaced NOW, and NOW we are dealing with it. We…

Why did it surface now? Everyone knew.

Re: I was Zuckerberg’s speechwriter

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post #9
post #3

I thought his early motto was "Dumbfucks".

I was hoping that a congressman would ask Zuckerberg if he still viewed his users this way. I'm sure he had a well-prepared response to this exact question, just in case.

Look, i really don't like fb's practices as much as the next guy here ( you can check my history if you want to) but are you really going to hold someone accountable for something they said when they were 19-21?

Re: I was Zuckerberg’s speechwriter

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post #17
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The rise of nationalist populism, although something I still disagree quite contentiously with, really begins making more sense when opinions like this start leaking out.

It goes counter to the idea of a globally connected internet though. Without a degree of oppression of free speech you can't stop the flow of culture and ideas no matter how big of a wall you build.

But you can teach people which ideas are toxic, and you can make sure toxic ideas don't get air time. I think people overestimate the power of the Internet compared to schooling/telly/etc.

Re: I was Zuckerberg’s speechwriter

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post #7

Quote from the article: Cambridge Analytica is a scandal that isn’t a scandal: Everyone who has ever worked on or with the Facebook platform knew that for several years, the platform made data available to third-party developers by design. Why is this news and a problem now? What made the sky fall? If everyone knew, then why has someone been picked to be the bad guy now ?

Why is this news now?

Because: everyone who has ever worked on or with the Facebook platform != everyone

Re: I was Zuckerberg’s speechwriter

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post #7

Quote from the article: Cambridge Analytica is a scandal that isn’t a scandal: Everyone who has ever worked on or with the Facebook platform knew that for several years, the platform made data available to third-party developers by design. Why is this news and a problem now? What made the sky fall? If everyone knew, then why has someone been picked to be the bad guy now ?

Reducing this problem to tribalistic "oh u mad because trump won!!" is infantile and absurdly counterproductive. Which is of course why its brought up so much...

I got really stressed out by Trump winning, but I still think the backlash against social media and tech companies has a lot to do with the establishment being afraid of losing power. When the Arab Spring happens, the free flow of information is an unalloyed good, but when Trump gets elected we suddenly need to curtail "troll factories", and ensure Fake News is being fact checked, and see to it that personal data isn't being used to influence elections.

I'm the first person to admit that I'm not impressed by my peers when it comes to electing suitable leaders, but it worries me much more that we're now falling for the temptation of reasoning for them, and protecting them from themselves. I think this straitjacket that we're so eagerly putting on our fellow man for his own good may very well be put on us, or perhaps the truly original thinkers that we yet don't know about.

So no, comments like these aren't infantile, they're crucial for maintaining the liberty that we've thus enjoyed on the internet, and that I would very much like to keep enjoying, even if I don't always agree with how people tend to use that freedom.

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