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Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by NiveaGeForce »

valarauca1 wrote: post #141
cstejerean wrote: post #80

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How much did you pay for Windows 10?

My windows 10 Pro cost me $270 when I got it on christmas sale. I can't disable debug telemetry or cortona. If I set the options to via admin (or even safe mode) via registry edits. After a reboot I'll find them back on.

You can disable Cortana in every version of Windows 10 from regular settings, and it even asks you upon install.

Telemetry can be set to basic in settings too, which is harmless, and it also asks you upon install.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by shawnz »

jessaustin wrote: post #37
bsder wrote: post #24

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And you also can't get a security update when someone figures out how to turn your lightbulbs into a botnet.

Botnets are so passé. Nowadays, everything pwned is mining! Now your lightbulb will produce as much heat as it did back when it was incandescent!

I wonder if there's any money to be made in an electric heating company that installs bitcoin miners in your home instead of heating coils.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by 794CD01 »

grogenaut wrote: post #85
cstejerean wrote: post #80

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How much did you pay for Windows 10?

Do I, as a single person, have the option of buying a non-spyware version of windows 10? I paid $175 for windows 7... I'd pay $300 for a non-spyware version of windows but I don't think I can even buy solo windows 10 enterprise. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/windows-p... Nope.. I can buy pro but I can only try enterprise.

You could buy a VS premium license with MSDN. Or would you still consider that "trying"?

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by NiveaGeForce »

lsh wrote: post #227
batuhanw wrote: post #190

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-Everything

before anyone else downvotes the parent, take a look at the URL in the sibling comment about what is captured. they're capturing more data about you than you probably realise exists to be captured.

That's only when you have it set to Full level, which is not the same as Basic level, which is pretty harmless.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by NiveaGeForce »

MikusR wrote: post #208
neko_koneko wrote: post #184

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By the way, is there a list of things that Windows collects about computer/user activity?

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/configuration/windo...

That's only when you have it set to Full level, which is not the same as Basic level, which is pretty harmless.

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Post by 794CD01 »

chopin wrote: post #157
derefr wrote: post #61

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Have you used Windows 10 Server Core, or Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB? There's no data collection in either of those, because they're for serious people. The Home and Pro editions, meanwhile, are effectively "Xbox OS for PCs." They turn your computer into an entertainment appliance run and maintained by Microsoft itself. Of course they collect data, just like there are data-collection agents on all the nodes of your av…

I remind you, very sensitive data is handled on Windows 10 Pro machines. Or would you require each doctor to maintain an Enterprise IT infrastructure. Here in Germany, it is still controversial whether Windows 10 machines can be used in public services at all.

Would you trust each doctor to know enough about IT security to be capable of protecting patient data without hiring someone else to run their enterprise IT infrastructure?

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by NiveaGeForce »

mtgx wrote: post #204
derefr wrote: post #61

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Have you used Windows 10 Server Core, or Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB? There's no data collection in either of those, because they're for serious people. The Home and Pro editions, meanwhile, are effectively "Xbox OS for PCs." They turn your computer into an entertainment appliance run and maintained by Microsoft itself. Of course they collect data, just like there are data-collection agents on all the nodes of your av…

Much of this comment seems like apologism to me. "Hey, it's bad, but I like Microsoft, so it's all good?" Why would only people who pay $200 for a windows edition get (some) privacy? Remember the days when the products you bought didn't spy on you? It seems like now companies are double-dipping or triple-dipping with this spying and selling of your data after you've already purchased the product/service. And we're ge…

Windows doesn't spy on you, especially when you have telemetry set to Basic level.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by Sebguer »

shawnz wrote: post #242
jessaustin wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Botnets are so passé. Nowadays, everything pwned is mining! Now your lightbulb will produce as much heat as it did back when it was incandescent!

I wonder if there's any money to be made in an electric heating company that installs bitcoin miners in your home instead of heating coils.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/08/qarnot-unveils-a-cryptocur...

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by amyjess »

arca_vorago wrote: post #72
tyingq wrote: post #41

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It does. But, it's also pretty surreal for those of us that worked through the anti-linux Microsoft of the 90's. Windows subsystem for Linux, and initiatives like this are a real confirmation that MS finally "gets it". Right tool for the right job. Good for them. It's also a big swing for me in that I trust MS more than Google now to do the right thing. I'd have thought that impossible a couple of decades ago.

I assure you MS is still not to be trusted. I find this recent uptick in naivety about them dangerous. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me, can't get fooled again.

This is FUD.

The difference between the '90s and now is that in the '90s Microsoft spread FUD against Linux, and now segments of the Linux community are spreading FUD against Microsoft. FUD is bad no matter who spreads it.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by NiveaGeForce »

794CD01 wrote: post #246
chopin wrote: post #157

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I remind you, very sensitive data is handled on Windows 10 Pro machines. Or would you require each doctor to maintain an Enterprise IT infrastructure. Here in Germany, it is still controversial whether Windows 10 machines can be used in public services at all.

Would you trust each doctor to know enough about IT security to be capable of protecting patient data without hiring someone else to run their enterprise IT infrastructure?

Nothing of personal value is logged, when telemetry is set to Basic level.
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