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U.S. And U.K. Warn of Cybersecurity Threat from Russia

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Post by IAmEveryone »

ItsMe000001 wrote: post #6
sebazzz wrote: post #4

I must say that by now, it is hard to tell what is the truth.

> by now I don't think much has changed, it's just that we see a lot more diversity than 30 years ago. Having grown up in East Germany, if I hadn't lived close enough to the Western border I could only have viewed East German TV and read East German newspapers. In the US you were (for the most part) not exposed to anything from Russia, and vice versa. Now more people get to see that the world is quite a bit more colo…

Note that nobody in West Germany used to watch East German TV during that time.

Meaning: it’s not all propaganda, with each side being equally bad and the truth to be found by triangulation.

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Post by wz1000 »

3pt14159 wrote: post #20
gonmf wrote: post #3

They have wiretapped the entire world with PRISM and other similar secret programs. They have seized and vanished a countless number of people to black site secret prisons. Who cares about Russia.

Russia isn’t part of the liberal order. They’ve done things like leak tapped phone calls to the press (“fuck the EU”) and they’re less likely to care about collateral damage. Nato already has the worlds most reliable and powerful military so as things go cyber physical there isn’t a delta in terms of power balance for them, but there is for Russia and countries that nerve agent attack on foreign soil already show a l…

> They’ve done things like leak tapped phone calls to the press

Yes, citizens knowing what their democratically elected government is doing is a terrible idea.

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Post by raverbashing »

gonmf wrote: post #3

They have wiretapped the entire world with PRISM and other similar secret programs. They have seized and vanished a countless number of people to black site secret prisons. Who cares about Russia.

I do care

And those who aren't caring aren't paying attention

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Post by neffy »

coretx wrote: post #13
fortythirteen wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse, no. But there's nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy.

And this is why the headline reads "U.S and UK want to harm Russia" to me.

It's really kind of hard to harm Russia more than it manages to harm itself. Yes, Hitler did manage to kill more Russians than Stalin did, but you could also lay the blame for at least some of that at Stalin's door, through the purges in the thirties.

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Post by omegant »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #7

Fair game, IMO. Pretty sure Russia and the West are incompatible, at least for a long while. If you ask Russia they'll say that NATO violated the verbal agreement of not coming near Russia via membership, but NATO says that countries have the right to decide for themselves etc etc. Plus Russia is a shadow of USSR. So it's a war, of sorts. Russia says that USA sponsors all these groups it determines to be anti-Russian…

Meanwhile business selling defense systems for both NATO countries and Rusia is better than ever! Sometimes it seems to me they are playing by the WWF marketing rules, lots of chest thumping around, but mostly are others who are paying the broken bones(see how the death of 200 russian contractors that attacked Kurdish-American positions and got smashed, went mostly unnoticed 2 months ago) By others I mean Syrian, Yemenis, etc..

Of course it could go south and the blows become real (like in wrestling), but by the moment is mostly an useful show for both sides. NATO keeps the archenemy and the show business running. People in Russia see Putin as Peter the Great reborn, making Russia punch way above its weight internationally, recovering the pride lost in the 90s.

Edit a couple typos.

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Post by orbital-decay »

yosito wrote: post #10

Should we declare an International Factory Reset Your Router Day? Edit: I know this is not a permanent solution. But it could be effective if combined with efforts to study the propagation of attacks and with efforts to educate the public about properly securing their routers.

How does factory reset help your router from being pwned again though?

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Post by vixen99 »

collyw wrote: post #19
yesforwhat wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Highlighting the crimes of actor B to excuse the crimes of actor A is not "pointing out hypocrisy", it's an attempt to excuse a crime and confuse the conversation.

I a more worried about the UK government having access to my data as its more relevant being a citizen of the UK. I think that's the point.

You certainly should be worried if a future UK government turns out to be a drastically more coercive nature than the present. And that's on the cards.

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Post by [deleted] »

ajr0 wrote: post #15
fortythirteen wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse, no. But there's nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy.

there is when it derails conversation. this is called whataboutism. we can have a separate conversation about that separate issue which I agree needs to be addressed, but not in this thread.. if you need help understanding what whatboutism is here is a great john oliver explanation [0] that will help why this is bad and that pointing out hypocrisy does not create a moral equivalency. please try to focus on the conver…

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Post by return1 »

gonmf wrote: post #3

They have wiretapped the entire world with PRISM and other similar secret programs. They have seized and vanished a countless number of people to black site secret prisons. Who cares about Russia.

you either care about all of them or about none of them, the in-between is a double standard
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