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U.S. And U.K. Warn of Cybersecurity Threat from Russia

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Re: U.S. And U.K. Warn of Cybersecurity Threat from Russia

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post #3

They have wiretapped the entire world with PRISM and other similar secret programs. They have seized and vanished a countless number of people to black site secret prisons. Who cares about Russia.

А у вас негров линчуют ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes ) The bad actions of the US and their allies does not excuse the same actions of Russia (or China, or any other country).

Excuse, no. But there's nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

А у вас негров линчуют ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes ) The bad actions of the US and their allies does not excuse the same actions of Russia (or China, or any other country).

Excuse, no. But there's nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy.

And this is why the headline reads "U.S and UK want to harm Russia" to me.

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post #4

I must say that by now, it is hard to tell what is the truth.

Understandably, since that press release is devoid of any real information. Seems quite reasonable to disregard it.

That's one thing that bothers me about security in general, that it's so super political and it's a bit hard to just be interested in the technical aspects of it without being sucked into political bickering to some degree (can't follow Twitter accounts of most security people for that reason). Of course, I understand that it comes with the field since many adversaries simply have political motives. Still annoying though.

Re: U.S. And U.K. Warn of Cybersecurity Threat from Russia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

А у вас негров линчуют ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes ) The bad actions of the US and their allies does not excuse the same actions of Russia (or China, or any other country).

Excuse, no. But there's nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy.

there is when it derails conversation. this is called whataboutism.

we can have a separate conversation about that separate issue which I agree needs to be addressed, but not in this thread..

if you need help understanding what whatboutism is here is a great john oliver explanation [0] that will help why this is bad and that pointing out hypocrisy does not create a moral equivalency.

please try to focus on the conversation, and open up a new thread on the issue you would like to discuss, not here.

[0] skip to 6 minutes if you would like to get to that point, I think the entire video is worth a look. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZAPwfrtAFY

Re: U.S. And U.K. Warn of Cybersecurity Threat from Russia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

А у вас негров линчуют ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes ) The bad actions of the US and their allies does not excuse the same actions of Russia (or China, or any other country).

Excuse, no. But there's nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy.

Highlighting the crimes of actor B to excuse the crimes of actor A is not "pointing out hypocrisy", it's an attempt to excuse a crime and confuse the conversation.

Re: U.S. And U.K. Warn of Cybersecurity Threat from Russia

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post #10

Should we declare an International Factory Reset Your Router Day? Edit: I know this is not a permanent solution. But it could be effective if combined with efforts to study the propagation of attacks and with efforts to educate the public about properly securing their routers.

Now that we understand a bit more about the behaviour of the system at scale, lets iterate and build the internet again, from scratch, but better this time. Factory resetting routers isn't enough, we need to factory reset the internet.

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post #3

They have wiretapped the entire world with PRISM and other similar secret programs. They have seized and vanished a countless number of people to black site secret prisons. Who cares about Russia.

А у вас негров линчуют ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes ) The bad actions of the US and their allies does not excuse the same actions of Russia (or China, or any other country).

Probably less about whataboutism and more about retaliation. Not saying one actor would stop if another did, but still.

Re: U.S. And U.K. Warn of Cybersecurity Threat from Russia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse, no. But there's nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy.

Highlighting the crimes of actor B to excuse the crimes of actor A is not "pointing out hypocrisy", it's an attempt to excuse a crime and confuse the conversation.

I a more worried about the UK government having access to my data as its more relevant being a citizen of the UK. I think that's the point.

Re: U.S. And U.K. Warn of Cybersecurity Threat from Russia

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post #3

They have wiretapped the entire world with PRISM and other similar secret programs. They have seized and vanished a countless number of people to black site secret prisons. Who cares about Russia.

Russia isn’t part of the liberal order. They’ve done things like leak tapped phone calls to the press (“fuck the EU”) and they’re less likely to care about collateral damage. Nato already has the worlds most reliable and powerful military so as things go cyber physical there isn’t a delta in terms of power balance for them, but there is for Russia and countries that nerve agent attack on foreign soil already show a lack of restraint. We shouldn’t take it lightly.
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