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Re: Which is the most ideologically diverse American city?

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Post by reversecs » Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:24 AM UTC

whataretensors wrote: post #12

"Mexicans fit along a political spectrum of their own." Tell me more about this mexican political spectrum. I'm only half can I join? Btw what do we believe in?

Americans have a political spectrum, like a range of beliefs that the conservatives have to the liberals. Probably most countries have different political spectrums, Europe in general has done away with gun rights debates and so their political spectrum is different than those in the u.s.

It's definitely not a race thing, it's a nationality. It's just a fact that every nation has their own type of polarization, aka spectrum.

Re: Which is the most ideologically diverse American city?

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Post by nickik » Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:26 AM UTC

guelo wrote: post #19

kristopolous wrote: post #5

How can this question be reasonably answered? Maybe places with high numbers of academics and articulate people can be measured but that's about it. There's multiple dimensions when it comes to ideology and multiple approaches to each dimension. There's even fundamentally different interpretations of the categorical differences on how to subdivide the classifications of these systems. And each of these facets have wi…

"anarchist capitalists" are just libertarians. And libertarians are just conservatives that smoke weed.

Its always very satisfying when people who attempted to be clever, just reveal their deep seeded ignorance.

Re: Which is the most ideologically diverse American city?

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Post by rayiner » Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:29 AM UTC

kevmo wrote: post #15

js8 wrote: post #2

First, article is talking more about ideological divide (democratic/republican) than ideological diversity (which would presumably mean many other viewpoints). Not sure about ideological diversity, and how to even measure it, but ideological divide to me seems as an inevitable result of two party system (and majority voting system), as both parties struggle to get supporters. In order to do that, they often abandon o…

Yes. Washington, DC is absolutely not an ideologically diverse place, by basically any measure. 93% (!) of the city voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Additionally, most people there, Democrats included, are extremely dedicated to the status quo. I've live in cities all across America, including DC 2015-2018 -- I actually usually cite it as the least ideologically diverse place I've ever lived. I generally like Margi…

I work here and I agree. Everyone here thinks that the educated class should run the country. I had to move out to Anne Arundel to get away from it.

Re: Which is the most ideologically diverse American city?

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Post by nickik » Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:29 AM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #5

How can this question be reasonably answered? Maybe places with high numbers of academics and articulate people can be measured but that's about it. There's multiple dimensions when it comes to ideology and multiple approaches to each dimension. There's even fundamentally different interpretations of the categorical differences on how to subdivide the classifications of these systems. And each of these facets have wi…

> For instance, many San Francisco "lefties" are anarcho-capitalists

That seems a bit strange. I know quite a bit about anarcho-capitalism, but I have never, never ever heard anybody claim they were 'left'. In fact generally 'leftism' is associated with socialism and the exact opposite of what AnCaps want.

Re: Which is the most ideologically diverse American city?

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Post by VLM » Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:46 AM UTC

The server seems dead, can't handle the load.

I wonder if the author considered the collision of urban-philia being a political distinction, and geographic boundaries are mostly a political or geographic accident. So statistically the most diverse city will have 100% non-diverse neighborhoods like any other city, but will have weirdly large boundaries for legacy historical reasons such that the "diverse" city includes distant rural farmland and suburbs whereas "non-diverse" city with identical neighborhoods and demographics will have small city limits boundaries.

Re: Which is the most ideologically diverse American city?

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Post by walshemj » Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:51 AM UTC

To change an old joke we have all types of politics Democrat (centre right) and republican ( originally centre right but now take over by far right entryists).

Re: Which is the most ideologically diverse American city?

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Post by BaronSamedi » Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:56 AM UTC

humanrebar wrote: post #16

js8 wrote: post #2

First, article is talking more about ideological divide (democratic/republican) than ideological diversity (which would presumably mean many other viewpoints). Not sure about ideological diversity, and how to even measure it, but ideological divide to me seems as an inevitable result of two party system (and majority voting system), as both parties struggle to get supporters. In order to do that, they often abandon o…

> ideological divide (democratic/republican) Political divide is probably more descriptive. But I agree. "Texas", "lesbian", "Mexican", and "Midwest" are not ideologies. They're identities.

Or, perhaps, not identities but fuzzy sets.

Re: Which is the most ideologically diverse American city?

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:57 AM UTC

nickik wrote: post #34

kristopolous wrote: post #5

How can this question be reasonably answered? Maybe places with high numbers of academics and articulate people can be measured but that's about it. There's multiple dimensions when it comes to ideology and multiple approaches to each dimension. There's even fundamentally different interpretations of the categorical differences on how to subdivide the classifications of these systems. And each of these facets have wi…

> For instance, many San Francisco "lefties" are anarcho-capitalists That seems a bit strange. I know quite a bit about anarcho-capitalism, but I have never, never ever heard anybody claim they were 'left'. In fact generally 'leftism' is associated with socialism and the exact opposite of what AnCaps want.

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Re: Which is the most ideologically diverse American city?

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Post by chrisdevereux » Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:58 AM UTC

Given that we tend to over-emphasise the differences between ideological positions that we're more familiar with, and under-emphasise the difference between positions that we aren't, it's hard to see how an exercise like this tells us anything except the author's own political experience and imagination. Even if there were empirical data here, how could we objectively determine the distance between ideological perspectives? And what dimensions of their many differences do we emphasise?

We see this most clearly when we look at ideologies that are dominant today. For example, a fairly core ideology over the last 30 years is that more and more aspects of society either should, or inevitably will, be governed by the market. As a result, ideologies that don't subscribe to this this idea are generally viewed as similar no matter how much they might otherwise be unrelated. Which is kind of strange, since 'ideologies that don't subscribe to this idea' amounts to most of the ideologies adopted over the course of human history.

Re: Which is the most ideologically diverse American city?

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Post by qntty » Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 12:00 PM UTC

It's true that some cities are bubbles without conservatives, but you have to keep in mind that America itself is a bubble without any real left wing to speak of. If you care about getting the full range of ideology that exists in most other western countries, you need to choose a city with a large international population like NYC.

This just goes to show that the idea of 'diversity' is always a value judgement about what the 'right' mix of people is.