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Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by BubuIIC »

madez wrote: post #60
BubuIIC wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately Telegram-FOSS from F-Droid doens't have GCM support so won't be notified about DC updates via push messages. I this particular case the centralization around the push service of google actually helps.

> I this particular case the centralization around the push service of google actually helps. No, it does not, and you even argued why. This centralization makes it harder to make the system more resilient. We need an alternative to GCM.

I'd argue that in this case the centralization helps because blocking GCM would kill all notifications for all apps. As long as they (Russia) are not willing to do that Telegram can use this as a side-channel to update their IPs for all clients.

The other option would be for google to turn push notifications off selectively for Telegram and only in russia. Not sure if they can/will do that.

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Post by gbil »

icebraining wrote: post #58
fehyjn wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their DPI is so dumb that it can be easily bypassed just by editing `Host` to `HOst` in http header. BTW ipv6 adresses are not blocked.

Wait, assuming they're using TLS and certificate-pinning, the DPI shouldn't be able to read the HTTP headers at all. How does that work?

If I'm not mistaken use of SNI reveals the target in plain text, big discussion these days with DNS over TLS etc.

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Post by nukeop »

dannyw wrote: post #54
hux_ wrote: post #32

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There the govt builds the controls. Here Twitter, YouTube and Facebook do. No big difference in my book. In terms of outcomes, only clowns get propped up either way.

Oh, there's a huge difference. You have alternatives.

There is no alternative to Google, Amazon, Youtube, etc. You have tiny, inferior competitors that don't even come close to 10% of the monopolist's market share. Google works very hard to trap you in their ecosystem. Once you're there, escape is almost impossible.

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Post by sdhgaiojfsa »

mtgx wrote: post #27
2close4comfort wrote: post #18

How long until all countries firewall off and whole reason for creating the internet is completely lost.

The sad part is that it's not just authoritarian countries that are doing this, but also the democratic ones, in a foolish effort to stop "fake news" or "terrorism propaganda". And the "better" AI is going to get, the easier it will be for them to call for such censorship, especially when people like Zuckerberg say they can already "stop 99% of the terrorist posts automatically". Because that's most definitely mislea…

> The sad part is that it's not just authoritarian countries that are doing this, but also the democratic ones

Which democratic country has blocked a major messaging app because it is used by political dissenters?

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Post by dijit »

lgl wrote: post #24

A few months ago I read an article about Telegram and their related companies and individuals. [1] The article read like a mix between a nerdy James Bond story, a bad Law and Order episode, a Mexican soap opera and a Russian episode of Cribs. It was written by an ex-employee so I took it with a grain of salt. Nevertheless, the article brings up a lot of red flags and shady behavior. Combined with their (alleged) conn…

This reads like FUD, there are reasons for and against telegram and I won't get into them here. But truth is often stranger than fiction[0] and there are actors with something to gain from making telegram look poor.

[0]: The story of Karl Koch for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Koch_(hacker) who's death was ruled a suicide, and his history is... "colourful".

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Post by zimpenfish »

sdhgaiojfsa wrote: post #84
mtgx wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sad part is that it's not just authoritarian countries that are doing this, but also the democratic ones, in a foolish effort to stop "fake news" or "terrorism propaganda". And the "better" AI is going to get, the easier it will be for them to call for such censorship, especially when people like Zuckerberg say they can already "stop 99% of the terrorist posts automatically". Because that's most definitely mislea…

> The sad part is that it's not just authoritarian countries that are doing this, but also the democratic ones Which democratic country has blocked a major messaging app because it is used by political dissenters?

> Which democratic country has blocked a major messaging app because it is used by political dissenters?

While it hasn't yet blocked it, the UK Government is certainly constantly after WhatsApp to remove the encryption (or build a backdoor) because a couple of terrorist jackoffs used it that one time (and I think they count as "political dissenters".)

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Post by jeremyjh »

SXX wrote: post #13

Just in case previously when same thing happened with service called Zello and back then Amazon cease to provide them service (forbid to change IPs) before actual subnets were banned. Soon we'll see how Amazon / Google will react on Kremlin bullying this time.

If they don't cancel Telegram's service, their other customers who are also being affected by the ban will flee to other services. I don't think they can sit and watch that happen.

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Post by StreamBright »

pmlnr wrote: post #21
2close4comfort wrote: post #18

How long until all countries firewall off and whole reason for creating the internet is completely lost.

Not much. We need mesh networks across every device - routers, smartphones, long distance repeaters, etc - ASAP to avoid it.

Until you create a true point to point channel between households without any corporate or government equipment, this is just a dream. Many people are mistaken about the internet, they think it cannot be easily filtered but this is not true at all. Every country has few major telcos that own the equipment where 100% of the internet traffic flows through. This is why banning IP ranges is super easy for them.
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