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Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by jstanley »

BubuIIC wrote: post #57
jstanley wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Telegram client is available on F-Droid, so you can still use it even if you opt-out of the walled garden.

Unfortunately Telegram-FOSS from F-Droid doens't have GCM support so won't be notified about DC updates via push messages. I this particular case the centralization around the push service of google actually helps.

What are DC updates?

I always get notifications about Telegram messages on my phone at around the same time (within a second or so) as I get the notification on the web client.

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Post by candiodari »

This used to be a big problem for colo and decidated service providers. You get 2-3 napster/bittorrent/kazaa/... or worse, some website some law enforcement agency finds objectionable ... with users renting/paying for servers and poef entire countries and large isps block all your ranges. Happened all the time.

Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by Beltiras »

foka86 wrote: post #51
craigds wrote: post #26

Why block Telegram and not .. all the others? Whatsapp, Signal, Viber, ... Are they objecting to the use of encryption? Because everyone uses encryption almost all the time for everything everywhere. The cat has been well and truly released from that bag. Are they just going to turn off the internet altogether?

Telegram is not the most popular messenger in Russia. It's not even in top-3 as far as I remember. But it is widely used by people who tend to be opposite to the current government (young professionals). Also, there are a lot of anonymous Telegram channels curated by the opposition.

It's going to take those people a hot 15 seconds to find another provider and switch.

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Post by NullPrefix »

pishpash wrote: post #30
craigds wrote: post #26

Why block Telegram and not .. all the others? Whatsapp, Signal, Viber, ... Are they objecting to the use of encryption? Because everyone uses encryption almost all the time for everything everywhere. The cat has been well and truly released from that bag. Are they just going to turn off the internet altogether?

That's what's going to happen. Various localities will shut off encrypted passageways altogether because they control the pipes. They will create a corporate-like intranet where they monitor everything.

So basically like China?

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Post by tajen »

hux_ wrote: post #32
gonesilent wrote: post #14

Russia is taking a page out of the China internet playbook. Next it will build out it's own great firewall and slowly unblock services after it gain's control.

There the govt builds the controls. Here Twitter, YouTube and Facebook do. No big difference in my book. In terms of outcomes, only clowns get propped up either way.

I sincerely ask the question: Is it possible to evaluate whether freedom has expanded since 1995? It seems like they controlled much, much more when not everyone had their Youtube channel. Now it’s possible to do your own research on, for example, real M/F wage difference, or get informed about Trump news despite MSM. Not ideal, but better than the 90’s.

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Post by egeozcan »

Beltiras wrote: post #63
foka86 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is not the most popular messenger in Russia. It's not even in top-3 as far as I remember. But it is widely used by people who tend to be opposite to the current government (young professionals). Also, there are a lot of anonymous Telegram channels curated by the opposition.

It's going to take those people a hot 15 seconds to find another provider and switch.

Are there any other convenient apps that support public channels?

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Post by konart »

Beltiras wrote: post #63
foka86 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is not the most popular messenger in Russia. It's not even in top-3 as far as I remember. But it is widely used by people who tend to be opposite to the current government (young professionals). Also, there are a lot of anonymous Telegram channels curated by the opposition.

It's going to take those people a hot 15 seconds to find another provider and switch.

Not only Telegram still working here, but it was a great experience yesterday.

Imagine the following: a manager in a supermarket explaining how to setup a proxy to a customer so that she (a woman in her 60s) could use their bot again.

Or a woman with a kid who is asking what the are going to do: "It's okay, we'll ask dad and he's going to do proxy-something".

Cyberpunk is now.

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Post by no_identd »

pmlnr wrote: post #21
2close4comfort wrote: post #18

How long until all countries firewall off and whole reason for creating the internet is completely lost.

Not much. We need mesh networks across every device - routers, smartphones, long distance repeaters, etc - ASAP to avoid it.

GNUnet!
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