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I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by notyourday »

curun1r wrote: post #40
jbob2000 wrote: post #9

I know your pain about the D&B issue. That was a huge slap in the face when I saw that. Apple, one of the largest companies in the world, has presented some random company as the face of their Developer portal? "Couldn't be... No way... wait a sec they are that stupid... goddammit". Then, at the end of the day, all it ended up being was a phone call that verified the information I entered on the D&B webpage. Stupid w…

D&B isn't some "random" company. If you've ever been faced with a project that requires you to have a reasonably complete set of information on most businesses in the country, you quickly learn about D&B. Almost every large company is licensing D&B data in some form or another. Cataloging every business in the US isn't an easy problem to get right, even for a company as large as Apple.

It is a random garbage company that is stuck in early nineties. It preys on stupid first time company owners whom it sells its credit builder for business services. That's the entire business model.

Edit: Can't respond due to rate limit - 40k/year from 1000 companies is nothing compared to $199/mo and more from credit builder from every Jack and Jill with a DBA, LLC or Inc.

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by logfromblammo »

shinratdr wrote: post #39

From a user perspective, this is why I love iOS. * Barrier to entry. If your project is more than a hobby, you can jump through a couple hoops to reach the iOS userbase. If the difference between $99 and $25 is make-or-break, you're probably trying to publish a hobby/low quality app anyways. There is a reason the Microsoft Store and Google Play are absolutely filled with trash, and this is part of it. * Forcing you t…

> I've never met a developer who complained about needing a Mac to develop for iOS that has put forth an even halfway decent iOS app.

This is essentially begging the question, isn't it?

If the developer wasn't required to use a specific development environment, might they be able to produce a higher-quality app?

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by rsynnott »

mgkimsal wrote: post #60
rolha-capoeira wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$7000? Your bias is showing. You can buy a Mac for <$1000 and it's perfectly capable of developing most apps.

<$1000 mac for even moderate development use cases? your bias is showing now.

MacBook Air and Mini should be fine for most stuff, certainly for glorified web apps.

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by ggg9990 »

So by this author’s estimation, the Apple App Store is the worst and the Microsoft App Store is the best. I can tell him that from the user’s perspective, it’s the exact opposite, and I have exactly one app from Microsoft and hundreds from Apple.

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by judah »

eropple wrote: post #75
judah wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I'm using hyperbole. :-) Even $1000 to build a free app is too much. (That said, going to Apple.com and clicking Mac shows me the base model for $4999.00 [0]) What happened to cross-platform apps? Why is it that Google and Microsoft are champions of the free and opened web, and even cross-platform dev tools for web development, while Apple is holding back progress? I think the reason is their business is jeopard…

"Clicking Macbook shows me an iMac Pro" Yeah, no, it actually literally doesn't. There's no "Macbook" button on Apple's site. There's a Mac button. The Mac page then shows you a range of Macs, from the Macbook to the Mac mini, at the top of the screen. they are showing you the iMac Pro--their halo-effect product and newest release--on the Mac landing page ; that's not the same thing and it is dishonest to assert that…

Mac button, not Macbook, but you already knew that.

Open standards are good. And we should want them to win, because it provides a safe haven from the abuses of big corporations. And I think right now, Apple is stepping into those waters: they are holding back web standards in order to keep promoting their business, which is reliant on native apps.

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by eropple »

limeblack wrote: post #73
eropple wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy a completely dev-usable Mac for under $1000. (My CI machine is a Mac mini I bought used for $350 and dropped an SSD and an extra stick of RAM into.) Its "crappy dev tools" are free . This is some silly stuff right here.

> My CI machine is a Mac mini I bought used for $350 and dropped an SSD and an extra stick of RAM into All but the vintage 2012 desktop Mac minis have been nuetered in the sense they are not upgradable.

"Neutered" is a weird term. The line is due for a refresh, I think it's got an i7-4578U Haswell in its top-end machine, but that's not "neutered". Yeah, they want you to pay for upgrades themselves and that sucks, but, whatever--my 2012 one has an Ivy Bridge i7 in it and it is still plenty fast for build tasks in my (fairly price-conscious) environment.

If I needed a beefier machine, I would be making much more money and justifying its purchase.

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by rahoulb »

rrdharan wrote: post #34
rhacker wrote: post #18

We're definitely at the point in history where we have to get out of these app stores . I get it if you're doing a game or something that's fine, stay in the app store. But I don't know how many times I've been extremely frustrated with a website telling me to get their app. * They break my in-browser password store * They introduce extremely complicated "app-only" device links for Oauth * Updating your UI for most a…

FWIW with iOS 11 re: your 1st point, the Safari/iCloud Keychain password store is available to native apps as well. https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-use-ios-11s-password-auto... I've found it quite useful.

As is Lastpass/1Password

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by jayd16 »

millstone wrote: post #36

> Mobile platform vendors, like Apple, are totally cool with apps that use your phone to its fullest. Access your location, play background audio, get your GPS coordinates, read all your contacts, play videos or audio without app interaction, read your email, intercept your typing, play more than one thing at a time, use your microphone and camera, access your pictures, and more. Apple’s totally cool with that. Apple…

>there is no equivalent enforcement mechanism on the web.

Sure there is. Apple is already blocking it so its not hard to imagine a world where they only selectively block pages or features.

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by bitmapbrother »

ggg9990 wrote: post #84

So by this author’s estimation, the Apple App Store is the worst and the Microsoft App Store is the best. I can tell him that from the user’s perspective, it’s the exact opposite, and I have exactly one app from Microsoft and hundreds from Apple.

That wasn't the author's conclusion.

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by judah »

ggg9990 wrote: post #84

So by this author’s estimation, the Apple App Store is the worst and the Microsoft App Store is the best. I can tell him that from the user’s perspective, it’s the exact opposite, and I have exactly one app from Microsoft and hundreds from Apple.

No, that wasn't my conclusion. If you read the article, I offer a summary at the end, where I give a winner. (Winner, meaning best/easiest/simplest/fewest barriers to entry from a developer perspective.)

The winner is Google.

One of the main reasons for that is, Google tries to make everything in the OS available from standard JavaScript. Their platform is web friendly. For example, want to display the currently playing song info and album art on the lock screen? They submitted a new web standard for that.

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