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Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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How long before Amazon replaces all the warehouse workers with machines? 5 years?

If they're going to be replaced by robots soon, isn't that a good reason to not fear spending on them, since they are a short-term cost?

Why spend more if you can spend less?

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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What's so special about Amazon in comparison to the Chinese factories where those goods are manufactured? Are we just upset because these people are geographically closer? Or is it nationalism; Americans/Westerners are too good for such treatment? Racism?

That's whataboutism.

There are people in terrible conditions all over the world that US citizens can do little about. When it happens in the country where we can vote on laws and candidates, we can do something about it. So it's important to focus on those cases and set an example.

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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Are Amazon's margins razor thin? I'm trying to understand what compels them to be so toxic in their work environment. Especially compared to the people I know who work at Costco, I struggle to understand why Costco treats employees so well, and Amazon treats their employees so poorly. It's really sad, regardless.

I’m wondering the same. It’s not like amazon is deeply discounting anything like they used to. Often cheaper to buy stuff at the big box stores - or at least the same price.

But they bring the products to your door...

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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What's so special about Amazon in comparison to the Chinese factories where those goods are manufactured? Are we just upset because these people are geographically closer? Or is it nationalism; Americans/Westerners are too good for such treatment? Racism?

Good point. I think people have to learn and start with their own backyards.

People in the east may look to the west culturally in some ways.

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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Long-haul truckers have been doing this for decades for the same reason-- they don't have time to pull over and use the restroom-- and no one is upset about that. I'm sure there are many industries, white and blue collar, where similar norms are expressed. Edit to add: I'm not endorsing the practice in any industry at all, just pointing out that its not a unique problem to Amazon. My comment would have been better ph…

Long haul truckers have a goal they are trying to reach, an end of the line that completes their job. It's reasonable to expect that they would occasionally take opportunities to cut time down to reach their destination faster.

Warehouse jobs have no goal, no end in sight, it's a nonstop churn and having to use tricks to shave your time down doesn't result in extra time off, it just results in more work.

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all employees are treated poorly. Yeah, the stock vest is back loaded, but they typically give cash upfront, which you could just turn around and buy stocks with..

> which you could just turn around and buy stocks with. Which just benefits the company even further? Edit: if you downvote please reply. How will I correct my stance if I get no feedback? I'm not sure why I'm getting down voted. Edit: Thanks for the comments. I did assume this meant Amazon stock. Didn't think my comment sounded so combative until I was told.

I did not downvote you, but I will speculate that the single question does present as somewhat confrontational and, depending on mood, might have been interpreted as combative.

If I understand your meaning and if your post's "confrontational" mood is/was the issue, you might have cast your post declaratively instead of interrogatively.

For example,

> Using compensation to buy stocks would benefit the company even further even though the company may unfairly exploit its employees. This would run counter to the employee's own interests.

Or something along those lines.

Recasting questions as statements sometimes reduces the rhetorical signals which can be interpreted confrontation.

EDIT: Remove double quotes; add emphasis. Clarify last sentence. Use past perfect in first sentence. Recast second sentence.

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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Long-haul truckers have been doing this for decades for the same reason-- they don't have time to pull over and use the restroom-- and no one is upset about that. I'm sure there are many industries, white and blue collar, where similar norms are expressed. Edit to add: I'm not endorsing the practice in any industry at all, just pointing out that its not a unique problem to Amazon. My comment would have been better ph…

If it's a norm, does it make it OK? All traditions were new once.

Absolutely agree with your point. I don't think the practice in any industry (trucking, healthcare or distribution centers) is okay but I'm simply pointing out its not a unique problem.

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which you could just turn around and buy stocks with. Which just benefits the company even further? Edit: if you downvote please reply. How will I correct my stance if I get no feedback? I'm not sure why I'm getting down voted. Edit: Thanks for the comments. I did assume this meant Amazon stock. Didn't think my comment sounded so combative until I was told.

If you're buying AMZN on the market, that's coming from other investors, not the company itself. It's already sold that stock (the IPO was back in 96) and benefited directly from it at that time.

Well, increased buying of AMZN would drive the price higher, and ostensibly, this percolates up to Amazon and it's employees.

Re: Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how you get your Amazon Prime same day/two day delivery.

I'm pretty sure they could still offer this service and treat employees well. Implying Amazon _needs_ to be like this is largely turning a blind eye to the problem.

I agree, but Amazon maximizes their profit by using these conditions. They eek out profit margins by using human sacrifices.
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