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Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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Half a year ago in September, I left Sailfish OS and Jolla after I had exclusively used "alternative" mobile operating systems. I started with the Nokia N900, after that I had the Nokia N9, and then both the Jolla and Jolla C with Sailfish OS. The UI concepts of Sailfish OS were great, the gestures were simple and intuitive. However, it lacked so many other features. The Android emulator was only compatible with apps…

"parts of the UI stayed closed source" If anything is closed, except drivers they'd likely be forced to accept binaries for, I wouldn't even consider the OS. Who do they think their target audience is? I imagine most people looking into an alternative mobile OS are well aware of the slippery cliff that is proprietary software. It's the whole point of looking around. I'm looking for full control so I don't get stuck w…

Do you develop for iOS?

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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Half a year ago in September, I left Sailfish OS and Jolla after I had exclusively used "alternative" mobile operating systems. I started with the Nokia N900, after that I had the Nokia N9, and then both the Jolla and Jolla C with Sailfish OS. The UI concepts of Sailfish OS were great, the gestures were simple and intuitive. However, it lacked so many other features. The Android emulator was only compatible with apps…

"parts of the UI stayed closed source" If anything is closed, except drivers they'd likely be forced to accept binaries for, I wouldn't even consider the OS. Who do they think their target audience is? I imagine most people looking into an alternative mobile OS are well aware of the slippery cliff that is proprietary software. It's the whole point of looking around. I'm looking for full control so I don't get stuck w…

> Who do they think their target audience is?

Large corporate clients like the Russian postal service. While Jolla has always drawn on bug reports and some contributed code by hackers who are passionate about owning a cool, supposedly open-source phone, the company has never seen that audience as big enough to generate profit. Jolla has been striving for years to win adoption from sectors that don’t really care if the code is completely open or not.

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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I'm using Sailfish OS on an Xperia X since when it became available. My main reason to migrate from Android was "battery life" which was confirmed (battery now lasts ~5 days instead of the usual 2-3), but the OS has a lot of small and bigger bugs (e.g. carrier selection, 2G/3G/4G priority, stuck data comm for Android apps) and missing features (notoriously: tethering/wlan access point, bluetooth) that do not currentl…

What does the OS natively support? Does it have SMS, email, and a browser? Maps?

Yes, Sailfish has SMS and e-mail support. For maps, you can install OSMAnd through the Android compatibility layer and get the same maps goodness as on any Android phone.

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sailfish OS was not directly responsible for any of those. Some of the employees were involved, but only by virtue of being employees of the companies that started the fork/project.

Sailfish wasn't responsible because it is yet another one of those. That's kind of the point - nobody is ultimately responsible for what it currently is, because it keeps bouncing around between various companies who take a look at it and say "oh, we're not responsible for that"

So you are arguing that they should have just ignored those and created their own thing?

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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I'm using Sailfish OS on an Xperia X since when it became available. My main reason to migrate from Android was "battery life" which was confirmed (battery now lasts ~5 days instead of the usual 2-3), but the OS has a lot of small and bigger bugs (e.g. carrier selection, 2G/3G/4G priority, stuck data comm for Android apps) and missing features (notoriously: tethering/wlan access point, bluetooth) that do not currentl…

Would not surprise me that if you replaced the Google blob with MiniG that battery life would improve on Android. I keep seeing report after report that Play Services in particular can be a real drain.

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Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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Instead of an alternative OS, we need a company that will make good hardware (comparable to Samsung) and not lock down their android system and provide open source drivers. That will satisfy most tinkerers, since they can modify anything they want and even load their own images since the drivers are open source. Android as an OS is good enough. Just that every single manufacturer has opted to lock it down.

What about Lineage and rooting your phone?

https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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I'm using Sailfish OS on an Xperia X since when it became available. My main reason to migrate from Android was "battery life" which was confirmed (battery now lasts ~5 days instead of the usual 2-3), but the OS has a lot of small and bigger bugs (e.g. carrier selection, 2G/3G/4G priority, stuck data comm for Android apps) and missing features (notoriously: tethering/wlan access point, bluetooth) that do not currentl…

What does the OS natively support? Does it have SMS, email, and a browser? Maps?

* SMS - yes

* Email - yes

* Browser - yes -- the official one browser is based on [an outdated] Gecko engine. Unofficial browsers based on QtWebkit.

* Maps - yes -- the official solution these days is HERE Maps (this requires Android support which is available on Jolla-supported devices). There are several other Map solutions available through OpenRepos (a popular 3rd party repository for Maemo/Meego/SailfishOS software).

While the app ecosystem can in no way compete with the number of apps available in Android or iOS -- if you use your mobile for web-browsing, music, podcasts, weather, timers, etc. it's sufficient.

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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I backed their tablet and was disappointed when I learned they would never ship it - Jolla's handling of the whole fiasco was very suboptimal. Pinning hopes on the purism now for a hackable mobile device.

Jolla had some profitable months last year and started issuing refunds to people who backed its tablet on Indiegogo. The company won't say how many are left, however. "It's not that many," Pienimäki claims. "Some of them are a bit noisy, but it's not really that many anymore." Jolla has promised to issue more refunds every time it has a profitable month. These, Pienimäki hopes, will happen at a "steady pace" by the e…

Keeping money for not delivered product, while spending cash on other parts of the business, sounds like fraud.

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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Instead of an alternative OS, we need a company that will make good hardware (comparable to Samsung) and not lock down their android system and provide open source drivers. That will satisfy most tinkerers, since they can modify anything they want and even load their own images since the drivers are open source. Android as an OS is good enough. Just that every single manufacturer has opted to lock it down.

What about Lineage and rooting your phone? https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

1. Installing Lineage degrades many hardware features. For example, the camera will never be as good as it is on the official OS. This is what I meant by "open source drivers". Currently all of this stuff is binary blobs, which aren't even available freely. So it is impossible for Lineage to fully utilize the hardware.

2. Rooting presents another extremely stupid problem. Apps like Netflix and snapchat and many payments/banking apps will refuse to work. I cannot find a way to explain this except dev incompetency and/or hostility towards users.

3. On Samsung phones there is a Knox bit, which gets tripped as soon as you flash any image. On many models, people haven't been able to figure out how to reset it. This means that once you flash Lineage on your phone, you permanently lose features, even if you go back to the official OS! This is what prevents me from flashing my phone, since I really don't wanna lose Samsung pay and Secure folder etc.

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