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Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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... and these idealists have finally found a backer! They've become preferred suppliers of the Russian and Chinese governments. :-~

If you were the Chinese or Russian government, would you rather trust Google or Apple with a camera and mic on all your employees?

While I don’t personally like the policies of either government, if they throw money at FOSS, that’s still (probably, see Android) a good thing.

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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post #17

... and these idealists have finally found a backer! They've become preferred suppliers of the Russian and Chinese governments. :-~

If you were the Chinese or Russian government, would you rather trust Google or Apple with a camera and mic on all your employees? While I don’t personally like the policies of either government, if they throw money at FOSS, that’s still (probably, see Android) a good thing.

> While I don’t personally like the policies of either government, if they throw money at FOSS.

Sailfish isn’t completely FOSS and the strategy of licensing it to clients like Rostelecom foresees that a lot of the OS will remain closed source.

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the status of the browser? Before it was stuck with ancient Gecko, because IPC embedlite project basically died. What are they doing now about it? I wish they'd take something like Servo and browser.html for these purposes.

Latest Firefox Mobile LTS release still works on Jolla’s ancient Android version (through the Alien Dalvik compatibility layer). You can install it from F-Droid.

Wow, that's impressive. I wouldn't have guessed an app as complex as Firefox would work on Jolla's compatibility layer.

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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I'm using Sailfish OS on an Xperia X since when it became available. My main reason to migrate from Android was "battery life" which was confirmed (battery now lasts ~5 days instead of the usual 2-3), but the OS has a lot of small and bigger bugs (e.g. carrier selection, 2G/3G/4G priority, stuck data comm for Android apps) and missing features (notoriously: tethering/wlan access point, bluetooth) that do not currentl…

Would not surprise me that if you replaced the Google blob with MiniG that battery life would improve on Android. I keep seeing report after report that Play Services in particular can be a real drain.

>MiniG

What is this? I tried searching for it, but got nothing useful. Only things related to crypto mining, and other unrelated nonsense.

It sounds interesting.

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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Companies providing operating systems is a clear conflict of interest. Evidence: the tragic state of the entire mobile ecosystem, where no hardware can be fully utilized by (or even make calls with) an open-source OS. This article also fails to mention Tizen. Has it been abandoned? It was absolutely terrible (millions upon millions of lines of the worst C code I've ever perused) but I thought it still existed, making…

Oh, Tizen, I guess you are not up to date with it. After throwing away the C++ libraries and going to that C code you mention, they have decided to offer .NET Core + Xamarin as alternative to those C++ libraries. Which I agree is much better than Bada C++ style libraries, but reveals they aren't sure where to go next. Then at FOSDEM they introduced an IoT OS based on NuttX + JerryScript, and called it Tizen RT, even…

Missed opportunity to call it TizenScript.

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would not surprise me that if you replaced the Google blob with MiniG that battery life would improve on Android. I keep seeing report after report that Play Services in particular can be a real drain.

>MiniG What is this? I tried searching for it, but got nothing useful. Only things related to crypto mining, and other unrelated nonsense. It sounds interesting.

Probably referring to this: https://github.com/opengapps/opengapps/wiki/Mini-Package

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the status of the browser? Before it was stuck with ancient Gecko, because IPC embedlite project basically died. What are they doing now about it? I wish they'd take something like Servo and browser.html for these purposes.

Latest Firefox Mobile LTS release still works on Jolla’s ancient Android version (through the Alien Dalvik compatibility layer). You can install it from F-Droid.

The latest non-LTS release works too.

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would not surprise me that if you replaced the Google blob with MiniG that battery life would improve on Android. I keep seeing report after report that Play Services in particular can be a real drain.

>MiniG What is this? I tried searching for it, but got nothing useful. Only things related to crypto mining, and other unrelated nonsense. It sounds interesting.

I think they meant microG, which is a project that aims to replace Google Play Services with its own, API-compatible implementation.

https://microg.org/

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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Half a year ago in September, I left Sailfish OS and Jolla after I had exclusively used "alternative" mobile operating systems. I started with the Nokia N900, after that I had the Nokia N9, and then both the Jolla and Jolla C with Sailfish OS.

The UI concepts of Sailfish OS were great, the gestures were simple and intuitive. However, it lacked so many other features. The Android emulator was only compatible with apps for Android 4.4. Although being marketed as secure and privacy-aware, users have no control over apps, as there is no mandatory access control or any other permission system. Remember, this OS has been in development for over five years by now. Also, many parts of the UI stayed closed source, although Jolla promised from the beginning they want to release more open source components. If they wanted contributors, they would have more likely contributed to user-visible stuff like the mail app — not to some lower level middle-ware that is open source.

All of this and some more reasons caused me to finally pull the plug and switch to Android. I wrote about it in lengthy details here: https://raimue.blog/2018/01/09/goodbye-sailfish-os-and-jolla...

Re: Jolla is the last company with an 'alternative' mobile operating system

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I'm using Sailfish OS on an Xperia X since when it became available. My main reason to migrate from Android was "battery life" which was confirmed (battery now lasts ~5 days instead of the usual 2-3), but the OS has a lot of small and bigger bugs (e.g. carrier selection, 2G/3G/4G priority, stuck data comm for Android apps) and missing features (notoriously: tethering/wlan access point, bluetooth) that do not currentl…

What does the OS natively support? Does it have SMS, email, and a browser? Maps?
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