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In a Leaked Memo, Apple Warns Employees to Stop Leaking Information

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Re: In a Leaked Memo, Apple Warns Employees to Stop Leaking Information

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Post by dragonwriter »

jadedhacker wrote: post #119
snowwrestler wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The notion that leakers are driven in part by ego was not invented by the CIA. It's well-known and exploited by reporters. As an example there's a short discussion in the recent movie The Post where Post reporters are trying to figure out who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Ben Bagdikian says something like these guys are always a bit of a showboat and it leads him to remember Ellsberg at Rand. EDIT to add: the CIA is in…

The Post is a movie about the Washington Post, which has a large undisclosed financial conflict of interest with the CIA. Jeff Bezos's AWS has a large CIA contract, and Bezos owns the Post. Getting a take about leakers in such a movie is not the best way to acquire a real picture of the world. The CIA only locks up brown people and tortures them in Thailand (star). It refers US leakers to the FBI which throws them in…

> The Post is a movie about the Washington Post, which has a large undisclosed financial conflict of interest with the CIA.

A conflict of interest would be relevant, in different ways, if it was current with the events that the movie is about, or if the movie was produced by the Post.

But neither of those is true, sonit seems to be a non-sequitur.

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Post by jadedhacker »

dragonwriter wrote: post #261
jadedhacker wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Post is a movie about the Washington Post, which has a large undisclosed financial conflict of interest with the CIA. Jeff Bezos's AWS has a large CIA contract, and Bezos owns the Post. Getting a take about leakers in such a movie is not the best way to acquire a real picture of the world. The CIA only locks up brown people and tortures them in Thailand (star). It refers US leakers to the FBI which throws them in…

> The Post is a movie about the Washington Post, which has a large undisclosed financial conflict of interest with the CIA. A conflict of interest would be relevant, in different ways, if it was current with the events that the movie is about, or if the movie was produced by the Post. But neither of those is true, sonit seems to be a non-sequitur.

This is the one compelling argument in this subthread. Thank you.

Hollywood has a long history of entanglement with the CIA and DoD in general. (How do you think so many war movies get access to equipment?) The Post was produced by Stephen Spielberg, an entertainer, not a typical careful documentarian. The social purpose of the movie is to soothe liberals at a time when their minds are being fractured by DJT and cries of "fake news". I wouldn't put it past Hollywood and the military to take this prime opportunity to insert propaganda via framing and selection of quotes.

Of course, I can't prove it that this is how this quote came to be, but what I can with certainty is to be skeptical of taking away core moral and factual positions from mass political entertainment and be doubly skeptical of claims (referring to the original claim sans movie) that come from the intelligence services (whose job it is to lie cheat and steal, duh).

EDIT: Here's an example of the CIA getting involved in the movie business https://www.salon.com/2015/09/11/the_cias_insidious_hollywoo...

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Post by [deleted] »

michaelmrose wrote: post #244
lern_too_spel wrote: post #231

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He ran to Hong Kong and immediately leaked a list of compromised Chinese computer systems to the SCMP. He wanted protection from the Chinese government, but he didn't get it. Instead, he ended up getting protection from Putin.

Do you have a citation for the chinese matter?

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Post by michaelmrose »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #254
michaelmrose wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a citation for the chinese matter?

You can read the articles published by the SCMP itself, to whom Snowden provided a list of Chinese systems targeted and the dates of compromise: http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1266777/exclusive... Here is some stateside coverage analyzing why he did something so stupid: http://theweek.com/articles/463249/why-edward-snowden-spilli...

From the first article

"In the bigger scale of things, Sino-US relations outweigh any information Snowden may have. It is also impractical for China to hope Snowden will co-operate with us. If he wanted to do that, he'd have flown to Beijing," said an expert in Shanghai who requested anonymity."

Looks more like he revealed that we were spying on everyone and ran to Hong Kong because they were a neutral party and you want to spin this into he sold us out to the Chinese to me.

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Post by dpkonofa »

forapurpose wrote: post #253
dpkonofa wrote: post #252

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I don't understand the article's assertion in the context of this being something unique or new to Silicon Valley. Companies have always tried to keep trade secrets behind closed doors and limit what employees share about them. They wouldn't be "secrets" if they weren't limited to select individuals and had information that was ok to disclose publicly. The idea that this is some new Orwellian culture shift is so stup…

I was going to address this comment until I read the last two words, which just shut down intelligent discussion.

Why? Intelligent people can't use the words "so stupid"?

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Post by dpkonofa »

power78 wrote: post #255
dpkonofa wrote: post #248

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Source? Literally the only Google results for a search regarding Authentic and the Moto X1 is this thread and your comment.

I found a lot, here's one: https://9to5mac.com/2015/01/26/nexus-6/

Are the Moto X1 and the Nexus the same phone? The parent comment seemed to suggest that they were 2 different phones. Even in that case, what Apple released was slightly different from what AuthenTec had created at the time so I don't see how anyone can say that Touch ID was out before Apple brought it to market.

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Post by daveheq »

IBM wrote: post #2

Somewhat ironic that this memo got leaked but I think in this case it actually serves their purpose for it to be read by everyone (including potential employees). I think this part is key and is something I've always wondered about: >While it may seem flattering to be approached, it’s important to remember that you’re getting played. The success of these outsiders is measured by obtaining Apple’s secrets from you and…

The employee may get paid by the reporting agency, or have friends in journalism who are also enthusiasts.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

michaelmrose wrote: post #264
lern_too_spel wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can read the articles published by the SCMP itself, to whom Snowden provided a list of Chinese systems targeted and the dates of compromise: http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1266777/exclusive... Here is some stateside coverage analyzing why he did something so stupid: http://theweek.com/articles/463249/why-edward-snowden-spilli...

From the first article "In the bigger scale of things, Sino-US relations outweigh any information Snowden may have. It is also impractical for China to hope Snowden will co-operate with us. If he wanted to do that, he'd have flown to Beijing," said an expert in Shanghai who requested anonymity." Looks more like he revealed that we were spying on everyone and ran to Hong Kong because they were a neutral party and you…

> Looks more like he revealed that we were spying on everyone and ran to Hong Kong because they were a neutral party and you want to spin this into he sold us out to the Chinese to me.

Why did he reveal Chinese telecom targets then? The "expert in Shanghai" is clearly wrong from Snowden's perspective. Hong Kong is outside the Great Firewall and so Snowden felt less hypocritical living in Hong Kong, but it is still under Chinese rule, so he hoped to get Chinese protection by leaking state secrets to them.

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