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Sky Diving Cured My Depression

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Re: Sky Diving Cured My Depression

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post #38

The history of alpinism can, to at least a first approximation, be summarized as "veterans with PTSD fixing their heads the best way they knew how". This goes for freeclimbing too, to a somewhat lesser extent. I heard a interview with a vet and climber once who described the appeal of alpinism as "all of the good parts of combat, without the shooting or any conscious thing trying to cause me harm". Skydiving sounds s…

This notion of fixing depression by jumping is common in skydiving. I've been jumping about twenty years and I've encountered people who claim to had been very depressed in their previous life and that jumping fixed them. Never heard that from a tandem first time jumper, only those that made it their lifestyle.

Likewise - in the decade I was active in the sport of skydiving, I heard plenty of stories around using the sport to help with stress, depression, and other issues back in the “real world”.

Never heard of a tandem jumper saying that, but then, how big is my sample size?

Re: Sky Diving Cured My Depression

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post #37

On a similar tack, in Australia they have been treating methamphetamine addiction with flying lessons: http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/43369891/a...

I'm not sure which is more expensive in the long run... When I was getting my license, I asked another pilot how much money it would take.... "All of it."

I suspect that the life expectancy of a pilot is longer than that of a meth addict though...

Re: Sky Diving Cured My Depression

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post #16

Sailing did this for me.

Sailing is an incredible way to right yourself. I'm reminded of Bernard Moitessier, who almost won the 1968/69 round-the-world race but quit and decided to keep on sailing: why return to civilisation when you've found true peace already? It's a really great example of how the way we live in modern times just isn't great for our psyche.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Moitessier

Re: Sky Diving Cured My Depression

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post #22
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... which is compatible with the recent understanding that depression is (usually?) the result of being worn out by chronic stress.

Worth remembering that it's not always true - some people have genetic predispositions if I'm not mistaken.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can have a genetic disposition to being worn out by chronic stress.

Re: Sky Diving Cured My Depression

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The history of alpinism can, to at least a first approximation, be summarized as "veterans with PTSD fixing their heads the best way they knew how". This goes for freeclimbing too, to a somewhat lesser extent. I heard a interview with a vet and climber once who described the appeal of alpinism as "all of the good parts of combat, without the shooting or any conscious thing trying to cause me harm". Skydiving sounds s…

I've found learning to fly is really good too. There's an element of danger, physical skills, a lot of focus, a lot of learning (the experiential kind too), putting yourself in a completely different place than you've ever been, and an instructor to walk you through it. Highly recommended.

The only problem is learning to fly is prohibitively expensive for most people. Skydiving is a much cheaper activity.

Re: Sky Diving Cured My Depression

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Former skydiver here, 1400+ jumps logged. The effects of skydiving on you mental state are well known to us, though rarely put into writing. I'll defer to Charles Lindbergh, who had a way with words (in addition to airplanes) to sum it up [1]:

"When I decided that I too must pass through the experience of a parachute jump, life rose to a higher level, to a sort of exhilarated calmness. The thought of crawling out onto the struts and wires hundreds of feet above the earth, and then giving up even that tenuous hold of safety and of substance, left me a feeling of anticipation mixed with dread, of confidence restrained by caution, of courage salted through with fear.

How tightly should one hold onto life? How loosely give it rein? What gain was there for such a risk? I would have to pay in money for hurling my body into space. There would be no crowd to watch and applaud my landing. Nor was there any scientific objective to be gained. No, there was deeper reason for wanting to jump, a desire I could not explain. It was that quality that led me into aviation in the first place — it was a love of the air and sky and flying, the lure of adventure, the appreciation of beauty. It lay beyond the descriptive words of man — where immortality is touched through danger, where life meets death on equal plane; where man is more than man, and existence both supreme and valueless at the same instant."

[1] The Spirit of St Louis, Charles Lindbergh, 1953

Re: Sky Diving Cured My Depression

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post #4

I'm not a fan of the clickbait title here. It trivializes depression. I think the only cure for depression is death. Too morbid? You manage depression with behavior and therapy. You can attempt to treat some of the symptoms with drugs. You can break out of a rut by trying new things. But curing depression... like once and for all? That's not realistic. "Sky diving helped me get out of a depressive episode," or "Skydi…

> I think the only cure for depression is death. Too morbid?

Not at all. Twice in my life I've been on anti-depressants, and both times I hated them. One was when I was in middle school; more against my will. My parents wanted me to stop washing my hands (I had/still have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder; washed my hands several times an hour some days). My dad just wanted a pill to fix me I think. The one therapist that suggested group/family therapy was the one we never went back to.

I tried against for a short time in University and it was worse. Sure initially you're smiling more (enough that other people noticed more than I did), but the side effects were harsh; more so when I was a kid. I'd want to sleep all the time and had zero energy. I couldn't masturbate. I started feeling numb; and I remembered that same feeling I had as a kid: If I felt like I needed to wash my hands to go work on something; on the meds (various SSRIs specifically), I would just stay in front of the TV instead of doing something constructive I enjoyed.

I recently lost a high school friend to suicide. He had been struggling for over a decade. It was hard to get him to hang out; was like pulling teeth. He'd been gone from my life for a long time. I'm sad I didn't get more chances to hang out with him. But I also know that he's at peace now.

The trouble today is that we like to treat all depression as a problem with the self. We use a combination of drugs and therapy that tries to help deal with negative thought patterns. But those approaches ignore the very true reality that life is hard! Life kinda sucks. I work in a cube all day making shit software. We walk by homeless people every day who are a product of bad circumstances and bad decisions, of which we could have easily been in other circumstances. So much of what we buy and consumes hurts people on the other side of the planet.

You mention how you think this article on Skydiving trivializes depression, but maybe not so much. This person did something and changed the external. When I was really depressed, I got a holiday work visa and took off for Australia. I lived there for a year, two and a half in New Zealand and then backpacked for 11 months. I tried to get some support to sustain myself, but I always seem to end up back in a cube. Yet during those times that I changed my external, I really felt like I was leaving that dark place I had been in most of my life.

The fact is, the only thing that made a meaningful impact on my depression was to find ways to change the external .. and that's really hard for people who are really depressed, because every step in that direction takes an incredible amount of energy. In a lot of ways I'm just lucky, because I somehow always am able to force myself to do what needs to be done (finish my degree, finish selling all my stuff and packing the rest, etc. etc.)

I don't know. I'm half and half on this. I see your point, but I also think there are serious problems with the way we try to approach mental illness in the world today.

Re: Sky Diving Cured My Depression

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Former skydiver here, 1400+ jumps logged. The effects of skydiving on you mental state are well known to us, though rarely put into writing. I'll defer to Charles Lindbergh, who had a way with words (in addition to airplanes) to sum it up [1]: "When I decided that I too must pass through the experience of a parachute jump, life rose to a higher level, to a sort of exhilarated calmness. The thought of crawling out ont…

I got to see a very good friend of mine a few months ago from my hometown; someone I grew up with. He got really into Skydiving when we were in University. He kept trying to get me to jump. Guy spent a lot of time and money in the summer doing jumps and getting his various certificates. He got to the point where he was qualified to pack his own chute.

He had one bad landing and shattered his leg. Apparently paramedics have no sympathy for people who injury themselves jumping out of a plane. He did jump for a few years after recovering from that. His roommate screwed up a landing and punctured his lung when he slammed into a stop sign (ironic, right?).

My friend stopped jumping. He has two kids now, and he said that was part of it. He was worried a bit about getting pulled into that culture for the rest of his life, but he knew older sky divers who didn't party all the time and do insane amounts of cocaine (I hung out with some of his sky diving buddies and dear god, do they love their cocaine).

But he had a few other friends die in jumps, and he started contemplating who he was and why he dived. He's now a band director at a community college. Now that he has his own program, his kids, his wife, he just realized it wasn't for him any more.

Re: Sky Diving Cured My Depression

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There is a real downside to this not spoken about. If/when you get hooked into an adrenaline based lifestyle and for some reason have to leave the lifestyle behind (financial, family, injuries) it can be extremely devastating to not do what was in essence keeping you alive. Still worth it but the crash can be worse than the cure, unless you figure out how to persevere gracefully.
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