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Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by stickfigure »

icebraining wrote: post #94
stickfigure wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that it won't. All the news portals/aggregators will simply move out of the EU. And then the EU can try to escalate by blocking non-EU news sites. Boy is that going to be an interesting day.

Yeah, but Google will be out. And the other aggregators don't have its reach (e.g. Top Stories boxes in Google Search).

Someone will fill that void. It may take a while for the new winner to emerge, but it will happen, and then they will be in the exact same position as Google news.

This law won't change the structure of the internet, it will just change the players. People want free news aggregators and other countries will not enforce this silly law (see also: cookie notices).

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

nine_k wrote: post #109

Well, let's suppose the legislation is voted into law. Every news outlet with a grain of reason offers every major search engine or news aggregator, or maybe a whole self-publishing platform like Twitter a blanket deal: €20 per month for unlimited use of blurbs and links, as long as blurbs are short and are actual quotations. So, the market would have fended off the attack on the way it operates, and ready to continu…

€20 per month is an astonishingly optimistic figure.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by jasonjayr »

andybak wrote: post #83
fh973 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep hearing Google News, but I can't see how and why people would use it frequently. Is anybody here using it? What for?

I check it most days as I like to skim a variety of international news sources in one list. I'd welcome suggestions of alternatives - especially if I could filter out the Daily Mail and other low quality sources.

Someone mentioned this on HN before: https://spidr.today/

It seems like a reasonable alternative. I wonder how sites will react if it gets as big as Google.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by michaelcampbell »

fh973 wrote: post #78
vatueil wrote: post #22

There was a previous discussion based on a similar article from Creative Commons a couple days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16810999 c3o (Christopher Clay), who works in the EU Parliament according to his profile, posted several informative comments including one explaining the backstory behind the proposed legislation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16812099 > The back story of the law may shed so…

I keep hearing Google News, but I can't see how and why people would use it frequently. Is anybody here using it? What for?

> but I can't see how and why people would use it frequently.

I suspect you can, to both of these and are using hyperbole to make some point? What is it?

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by nine_k »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #112
nine_k wrote: post #109

Well, let's suppose the legislation is voted into law. Every news outlet with a grain of reason offers every major search engine or news aggregator, or maybe a whole self-publishing platform like Twitter a blanket deal: €20 per month for unlimited use of blurbs and links, as long as blurbs are short and are actual quotations. So, the market would have fended off the attack on the way it operates, and ready to continu…

€20 per month is an astonishingly optimistic figure.

I think that large papers could ask, say, 1000 or something, to avoid being ridiculed, but no public news source in their sane mind would turn this fee into a profit center. They'd have much more to lose if their traffic slumps.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by Moru »

syrrim wrote: post #54
Cyph0n wrote: post #32

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This dude seems to think that it's a dick measuring contest, when it reality it boils down to a cost-benefit analysis. If Google thinks it will lose money, it will shut down the service.

It is a dick measuring contest to a degree. Google is large enough to be effectively a monopoly, and so can think of these laws as being targeted at them. The way they respond to these laws affects the way other nations set up their own laws. Even if they lost money in spain by closing there, they would close anyways if they thought they would gain across the globe.

If they shut down in europe they also open up the field for their competition. There are many developers here in europe that are just waiting for a chance.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by civilitty »

jccooper wrote: post #19
ggm wrote: post #7

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GDPR is not about stopping the spread of free information. its about personal data. You are completely mis-characterising the nature of the GDPR legislation. Regulators are not enemies. Regulators are the enemies of established companies, and operate in favour of civil society as civil servants: they are subject to oversight, and are imposed to create oversight over entities who are not equilibriating in favour of wi…

That sort of democratic heroism is far from certain. "Regulators" and legislation are just as likely (or perhaps more) to be captured by and/or favor large incumbents as to combat them. By its very nature regulation favors established companies, who can afford better to pay for the burden.

And yet, the result of our regulatory system has been net positive to an extreme degree - you argument is trying to throw the baby out with the bath water. The very nature of political development in the western world has, for the last few centuries, been as much about how to put the "right" people and systems in positions of power. Let's continue to focus on that instead of giving up.

To use an analogy: if you love to travel the world but keep getting sick from preventable infectious diseases, the solution is to buy bottled water, mosquito repellent, and vaccinations, not stop traveling all together.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by dbasedweeb »

TomMarius wrote: post #86
dbasedweeb wrote: post #66

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We’re not talking about a company, we’re talking about a fetish forum without a scrap of money changing hands. Who is enforcing GDPR there exactly? EU paratroopers? Not to mention that most people don’t live in the EU or America, so again, who’s enforcing this on our hypothetical non-business? It’s really hardcore levels of bullshit being employed in this thread to make a big scary mountain out of a molehill.

The EU could legally jail you the moment you step into its territory, and that includes flights that go through Europe, even without landing.

That doesn’t sound even remotely correct given the nature of the “offense” in this case, for which the remedy is a fine. Can you cite this “jail the moment you step into its territory” thing?

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by ttoinou »

vatueil wrote: post #22

There was a previous discussion based on a similar article from Creative Commons a couple days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16810999 c3o (Christopher Clay), who works in the EU Parliament according to his profile, posted several informative comments including one explaining the backstory behind the proposed legislation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16812099 > The back story of the law may shed so…

France is taxing youtube advertising in profit of the "CNC" (i.e. the cinema mafia).

I hope Google shut downs Youtube France

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by henrikschroder »

swebs wrote: post #82
henrikschroder wrote: post #41

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> globalists Did you mean actual globalists, or were you just using a racist dog-whistle to imply Jews?

Is that an actual question, or are you trying to deflect the valid criticisms of globalism by slandering it's opponents?

It was an actual question. Sometimes people who use the word are genuinely interested in the debate. Most of the time though, it's just some idiot who is interested in blaming everything that's bad with the world on some nefarious Other.
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