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Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by poizan42 »

nannePOPI wrote: post #48
disconnected wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Instead now I need to write a stupid page where I say "[MY NAME] will manage your data this and this way". Are you referring to the Data Protection Officer (DPO) requirement? I believe this is the relevant article: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-37-gdpr/ If I understand correctly, you only need to appoint a DPO in cases where you are either a public entity (you are not) or in cases where your site requires "regular and s…

You need to reveal who is managing the data in any case, which is separate from the DPO.

Is it Article 13.1.a we are talking about here? It says

> the identity and the contact details of the controller and, where applicable, of the controller’s representative;

See, the main question here is which identity it is that must be disclosed. The definition in article 4.7 has this to say:

> ‘controller’ means the natural or legal person, public authority, agency or other body which, alone or jointly with others, determines the purposes and means of the processing of personal data; where the purposes and means of such processing are determined by Union or Member State law, the controller or the specific criteria for its nomination may be provided for by Union or Member State law;

What exactly falls under "other body" may be important here. What it does not say is that it must be a legal person.

Let us say that you have a forum on omgweirdfetishes.eu. You may say that the controller is The OMG Weird Fetishes Forum. Now it may be arguable that in itself counts as "other body", but generally there's the concept of "Unincorporated Association" which is just any group of people with a common purpose, it would be hard to argue that that doesn't fall under the "other body". In some countries, e.g. Denmark, an unincorporated association is even recognized as a legal entity in its own right.

So say that "The OMG Weird Fetishes Forum is driven by The OMG Weird Fetishes Forum Association. The members of the The OMG Weird Fetishes Forum Association consists of the users of The OMG Weird Fetishes Forum", and then identify the data controller as "The OMG Weird Fetishes Forum Association, contact details: webmaster@omgweirdfetishes.eu"

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by Semaphor »

fh973 wrote: post #78
vatueil wrote: post #22

There was a previous discussion based on a similar article from Creative Commons a couple days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16810999 c3o (Christopher Clay), who works in the EU Parliament according to his profile, posted several informative comments including one explaining the backstory behind the proposed legislation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16812099 > The back story of the law may shed so…

I keep hearing Google News, but I can't see how and why people would use it frequently. Is anybody here using it? What for?

When I search for bitcoin, I get random sites. But when I wanna know why the price just jumped/crashed, I click on news and see why people panic bought/sold this time.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by afarrell »

nannePOPI wrote: post #34
lagadu wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would require that you provide a service within the EU and that you store personal data, neither of which you do in your example.

if I have a forum I store the email of the users so they can recover the password. Same thing if I put up a simple newsletter to contact my users, I have their emails (newsletters may not be fashionable but they're much more effective than using a facebook page or other systems, since you own the email list of people who want to hear from you). So, even in the boring world of small websites, you have to comply.

> if I put up a simple newsletter to contact my users, I have their emails

Okay, so then the only requirement of GDPR is that you must make the newsletter opt-in rather than opt-out and you must make the unsubscribe process as easy as the subscribe process.

This is indeed a problem if you run Mailman, which has a somewhat annoying unsubscribe process and which does not have the funding[1] to address this.

[1] http://mailman.9.n7.nabble.com/GDPR-td46775.html

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by latexr »

mtmail wrote: post #14

The article mentions Spain, but Germany had a similar initiative, sometimes called the "Google tax": Allow newspapers to charge for snippets. Newspapers did because after lots of lobbying it would look bad if they didn't. Google News delisted all that charged money. Shortly after the large newspapers allowed Google to use snippets without payment. So small websites (search engines) lost while those delivering substan…

> The article mentions Spain, but Germany had a similar initiative

There’d be little point in making the post longer by mentioning Germany inline as well. The shorter and more digestible the post is, the more likely people will read and share. Germany’s case is mentioned in the post they link to when referencing Spain’s situation[1].

[1]: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/12/google-news-shuts-shop...

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by latexr »

Crontab wrote: post #103

I generally have a favorable opinion of Europe but this copyright law proposal, and the stupid "right to be forgotten" nonsense, shows that they are far from perfect.

See also: the law that ended roaming charges also shoehorned the taking away of Net Neutrality rules.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by wyldfire »

fh973 wrote: post #78
vatueil wrote: post #22

There was a previous discussion based on a similar article from Creative Commons a couple days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16810999 c3o (Christopher Clay), who works in the EU Parliament according to his profile, posted several informative comments including one explaining the backstory behind the proposed legislation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16812099 > The back story of the law may shed so…

I keep hearing Google News, but I can't see how and why people would use it frequently. Is anybody here using it? What for?

I use it at least daily to get updates on what's going on in my city, around the world and with my interests.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by nine_k »

Well, let's suppose the legislation is voted into law.

Every news outlet with a grain of reason offers every major search engine or news aggregator, or maybe a whole self-publishing platform like Twitter a blanket deal: €20 per month for unlimited use of blurbs and links, as long as blurbs are short and are actual quotations.

So, the market would have fended off the attack on the way it operates, and ready to continue as usual.

The losers would be the non-commercial sites. Wikipedia would have hard time showing you all these Creative Commons-licensed pictures. Free (as in beer) publications would see large drops in traffic, not being able to offer their content legally for free, or re-licence it (it's often quite involved).

What a useful law that might be. /s

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by blowski »

andybak wrote: post #83
fh973 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep hearing Google News, but I can't see how and why people would use it frequently. Is anybody here using it? What for?

I check it most days as I like to skim a variety of international news sources in one list. I'd welcome suggestions of alternatives - especially if I could filter out the Daily Mail and other low quality sources.

I guess you don’t like the Daily Mail because it’s a source of nationalist sensationalism rubbish at its worst, and I completely agree with you about that.

But I’m worried that, by filtering it out, we create tribal echo chambers. Personally, I hold my nose, read at least some of the articles, and try to argue against them.

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