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Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by x0x0 »

nannePOPI wrote: post #48
disconnected wrote: post #45

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> Instead now I need to write a stupid page where I say "[MY NAME] will manage your data this and this way". Are you referring to the Data Protection Officer (DPO) requirement? I believe this is the relevant article: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-37-gdpr/ If I understand correctly, you only need to appoint a DPO in cases where you are either a public entity (you are not) or in cases where your site requires "regular and s…

You need to reveal who is managing the data in any case, which is separate from the DPO.

If you are this afraid to tell your customers and/or users your name, they are right not to trust you.

ps -- if you want not to be required to disclose anything under the GDPR, don't collect any personal data. No ips, usernames, access logs, etc.

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Post by vixen99 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #68
Tomte wrote: post #65

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Ah, the old banana myth. How the EU forced banana producers to only produce or sell bananas with the right curvature. Only... that‘s not true. The EU defined quality classes for all kinds of products. And in the case of bananas these included curvature. Producers could still sell whatever curved bananas they liked. At whatever price they liked. They just couldn‘t claim it conformed to this specific quality class. Bec…

Yup. The usual bullshit spun by British tabloids, that somehow then gets reprinted as facts on continental Europe. There were plenty of other similar cases regarding classification and quality classes of seafood, water, juices, etc. People seem to be so desperate to believe the government is this big, incompetent force of evil that they'll uncritically accept any story that confirms that belief.

It was such a competent piece of legislation that it was dropped by the EU when commonsense finally penetrated the minds of the 'we're paid to dream up laws so let's get on with it' secretive team in Brussels.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2453204/Be...

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Post by jaddood »

IAmEveryone wrote: post #31
mattsfrey wrote: post #2

"The biggest and most worrisome changes are to the "link tax" proposal, which would establish a special copyright-like fee to be paid by websites to news publishers, in exchange for the privilege of using short snippets of quoted text as part of a link to the original news article. Voss's latest amendments would make the link tax an inalienable right, that news publishers cannot waive even if they choose to." "...tha…

That's a strange interpretation, and I say it doesn't seem like you're trying too hard to assume good faith. The EU is worried about publishers both big and small. Currently, investing half a year's worth of a journalist's work into investigations is a rather bad business decision, because everyone can freely reuse the facts you uncovered: spend a year finding corruption, write it up in a day, 10 minutes later it's o…

If the matter was only about weakening the external monopolies, than the tactics are definitely really really bad.

The pain and trouble that this legislation would generate to Europe and to the whole world is much worse than say Google's monopoly.

I believe if the EU had an honest intention of only undermining monopolies from countries outside the EU (mainly the US), then it should find another way to go with it without disrupting the whole open knowledge concept. Otherwise, it will be truly disasterous.

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Post by tzs »

rotrux wrote: post #23

Is anyone really surprised by this? We (America) just signed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act into law last month without so much as a blip from The AP or Thompson Reuters. The internet is sorta like the printing-press but more important. Of course it's threatening the powers-that-be & of course they're gonna' try and get that under control.

> We (America) just signed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act into law last month without so much as a blip from The AP or Thompson Reuters.

Blip from Reuters: [1]

Blip from AP: [2]

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-microsoft/u-s-s...

[2] https://apnews.com/d22a0de1f9434490b938ec1db8e149ef/Budget-b...

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by YouAreGreat »

henrikschroder wrote: post #41
nannePOPI wrote: post #5

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> globalists Did you mean actual globalists, or were you just using a racist dog-whistle to imply Jews?

Did you mean to suss out dog whistlers or are you just trying to divert attention from globalists? #notyourshield

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Post by onion2k »

th-ai wrote: post #16

If Kryder's Law holds, then by 2030 local hard drives will store petabytes (4x library of congress or 500 mp4 years). 32 terabyte thumb drives will cost $10. Routes around ISP's will be plentiful. How can copyright survive?

Storage costs aren't really stopping people gathering and sharing content right now. A 4 terabyte drive is about $100. Few people have them though, and fewer still have them set up to share content openly. Why would bigger disks or cheaper thumbdrives change that?

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Post by short_sells_poo »

sykh wrote: post #43
nannePOPI wrote: post #20

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These kind of laws make it much more difficult to spread content and therefore they consolidate informations in few player, often loved by the governments and their puppeteers. We used to be able to put a website online, gather emails to send newsletters, offer services to our users, etc without any help from the government. Now, every time I put a new website online I have to fill pages of pages with stupid policies…

That may be a consequence of such laws but do you have evidence that this is the consequence that the people making this law want? What evidence do you have for the motivations for the people making this law.

It's almost irrelevant whether the people proposing this law have good or bad intentions. The current establishment may mean well, but the road to hell us paved with good intentions. There is no guarantee that a regime in 30 years won't abuse these regulations.

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Post by fh973 »

vatueil wrote: post #22

There was a previous discussion based on a similar article from Creative Commons a couple days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16810999 c3o (Christopher Clay), who works in the EU Parliament according to his profile, posted several informative comments including one explaining the backstory behind the proposed legislation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16812099 > The back story of the law may shed so…

I keep hearing Google News, but I can't see how and why people would use it frequently.

Is anybody here using it? What for?

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Post by [deleted] »

briandear wrote: post #49
IAmEveryone wrote: post #39

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> How will this effect google or facebook at all? Google and Facebook show titles and quotes of linked articles. This legislation is specifically aimed at them. Noncommercial actors (bloggers etc) are supposed to be exempt. > How do you NOT see this as bad? It is extremely frustrating how people on HN apparently have no ability to acknowledge a valid argument for a position they oppose. Read the last two paragraphs o…

> The latter is fundamental for a functioning democracy. But if distributors have to pay to link to such content, then such content will not contribute to a functioning democracy because nobody will be able to discover this content. And, it's funny you mention "functioning democracy" -- tell me how Brussels is part of a functioning democracy? The European Commission President and commissioners aren't elected are they…

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Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by unilynx »

short_sells_poo wrote: post #77
sykh wrote: post #43

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That may be a consequence of such laws but do you have evidence that this is the consequence that the people making this law want? What evidence do you have for the motivations for the people making this law.

It's almost irrelevant whether the people proposing this law have good or bad intentions. The current establishment may mean well, but the road to hell us paved with good intentions. There is no guarantee that a regime in 30 years won't abuse these regulations.

What's stopping a regime to enact these regulations in 30 years, if it feels it needs them?

That argument works against things like data retention laws (the new regime may find 'new uses' for data already retained) but if anything, GDPR discourages data retention

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