What did Alan Kay and Steve Jobs talk about at the 2007 iPhone keynote?
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#2Didn't really knew that Kay was so active on Quora. Now I'm about to read everything.
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#3It always amazes me how many questions or Quora solicit an answer from someone so close to the subject at hand.
Re: What did Alan Kay and Steve Jobs talk about at the 2007 iPhone keynote?
#4It always amazes me how many questions or Quora solicit an answer from someone so close to the subject at hand.
I feel the same way about HN. It’s both platforms major point of difference to other platforms I think.
Re: What did Alan Kay and Steve Jobs talk about at the 2007 iPhone keynote?
#5Steve revealed at D10 that the iPad actually did get prototyped first. IIRC, he tasked a team with creating a keyless keyboard tablet thing (forgive my terrible paraphrasing). They came back with a tablet. When Steve scrolled up and saw the rubber band effect, he said "oh my god we can make a phone with this" and they went the phone first.
Edit: Below is the interview. He "had an idea of being able to type on a multi touch glass display"
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#6I always find the “make it this size and you’ll rule the world” quote interesting. The users I know who really love their iPads/tablets are closer to @alankay1’s generation. Younger generations don’t have much use for device that can’t fit in a pocket. I wonder how much the interest in iPad-sized devices came from years of using paper about that size.
Re: What did Alan Kay and Steve Jobs talk about at the 2007 iPhone keynote?
#7> (the Mac was done in 1984, 11 years after the more powerful and capable Parc Alto, which started working in 1973).
I find this comment mildly irritating. The Alto apparently cost $40k [1] in (or around) 1973, which was equivalent to $95k in 1984 (or $232k today). Compare with the Mac which cost $2.5k in 1984.
Sure, the Alto may have been more powerful, but if it was financially out of reach of almost everybody, it's no wonder it had a limited direct impact.
I wonder if it's a trend that Alan underestimates the importance of economics for technology to actually have an impact.
[1] http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/input-output/14/34...
Re: What did Alan Kay and Steve Jobs talk about at the 2007 iPhone keynote?
#8> (the Mac was done in 1984, 11 years after the more powerful and capable Parc Alto, which started working in 1973). I find this comment mildly irritating. The Alto apparently cost $40k [1] in (or around) 1973, which was equivalent to $95k in 1984 (or $232k today). Compare with the Mac which cost $2.5k in 1984. Sure, the Alto may have been more powerful, but if it was financially out of reach of almost everybody, it'…
> He brought the iPhone to me, put it in my hands, and asked: “Alan, is this good enough to be criticized?”. My reply was to make a shape with my hands the size of an iPad: “Steve, make it this size and you’ll rule the world”.
I find this especially telling after Apple's recent education-focused announcement[1], where Apple continues trying to push the iPad as an educational tool. Is this Tim Cook trying to continue Steve Jobs' vision of Alan Kay's vision? Or do Apple seriously believe the iPad as it is has a business chance in the cash-strapped education market?
[1] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/03/apples-chicago-events...
Re: What did Alan Kay and Steve Jobs talk about at the 2007 iPhone keynote?
#9Steve revealed at D10 that the iPad actually did get prototyped first. IIRC, he tasked a team with creating a keyless keyboard tablet thing (forgive my terrible paraphrasing). They came back with a tablet. When Steve scrolled up and saw the rubber band effect, he said "oh my god we can make a phone with this" and they went the phone first. Edit: Below is the interview. He "had an idea of being able to type on a multi…
He called the iPad at the time a glass keyboard. Because he didn't want to give it away.
And let's not forget that a Microsoft guy provoked him into creating a tablet called the iPad.
Re: What did Alan Kay and Steve Jobs talk about at the 2007 iPhone keynote?
#10I always find the “make it this size and you’ll rule the world” quote interesting. The users I know who really love their iPads/tablets are closer to @alankay1’s generation. Younger generations don’t have much use for device that can’t fit in a pocket. I wonder how much the interest in iPad-sized devices came from years of using paper about that size.
"Younger generations don’t have much use for device that can’t fit in a pocket."
They do when they're trying to create something more complicated than a social media post.