Exit scammers run off with $660M in ICO earnings
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Re: Exit scammers run off with $660M in ICO earnings
#42> "Investors have been told that they would enjoy a profit rate of 48 percent a month from their initial investment, and recoup all investments after four months. People would also be rewarded with an eight percent commission for every new member they have introduced to the network." There's your red flags right there.
This is one thing most people don't understand. If someone is selling you a financial instrument with >6-7% annual returns, it's as ridiculous as someone selling you a time machine or the cure to death. The top 500 companies by market cap don't do much better than 6-7% annually on average.
I wouldn't say quite that low, even S&P averages are often higher than that.
But 48% monthly is going to be something like a >1000% yearly interest rate. You really don't get much more of a dead giveaway than that, at that point you're either a fool or you're gambling and hoping you get out before a greater fool does.
Re: Exit scammers run off with $660M in ICO earnings
#43Re: Exit scammers run off with $660M in ICO earnings
#44Did it actually raise 660m or was that the size of the "market cap" when it collapsed? if I sell 100 tokens for a dollar then convince someone to buy 1 token for 10 dollars, if I run off with the money I've not run off with $1000 even if it feels like it for the people left with tokens.
In these situations they sell their bullshit tokens for real money (or BTC/ETH), so they would have run away with the actual money or something within an order of magnitude, not some fantasy "market cap".
Your figure of 1/10 to be conservative sounds sadly sensible.
Re: Exit scammers run off with $660M in ICO earnings
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because the pro-scam information surfaces easier than the anti-scam information? Watch one ponzi scam video on Youtube and the algorithms will start showing you others ...
This is an interesting phenomenon in general.
Re: Exit scammers run off with $660M in ICO earnings
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because the pro-scam information surfaces easier than the anti-scam information? Watch one ponzi scam video on Youtube and the algorithms will start showing you others ...
This is an interesting phenomenon in general.
Obviously there are more people incentivized to talk positively about these incentivized crypto-assets (assuming they own crypto-assets structured as Pyramid-Ponzi schemes), so they learn and get good talking about the hype and talk about the "positives."
The reason these are more powerful than say a single stock broker running a Ponzi scheme, is that you have all of these unrelated, decentralized and people that are global that are indirectly collaborating. It's why it's so much more dangerous as well. It's continued in part for so long too, because with a stock broker, you arrest/charge the stock broker. With incentivized crypto-assets, you have a lot of different parties/systems that must work together, indirectly, for it to act like the Pyramid-Ponzi schemes that they are.
This being convoluted like it is seems to be causing regulators and enforcement to lock up -- along with all of the people and organizations actively lobbying to "educate" regulators around the world with the version and whitewashing to see how they can try to fiddle their way to fit within the laws countering this kind of pattern. Or maybe they're being bribed with "$1,000,000" worth of "Bitcoins" (per year?) that they're promised will become worth 10-100x within 10-20 years.
The solution is a crypto-asset that isn't incentivized, that is government mandated, and that CONVERTS their fiat currency into the crypto-asset -- not simply exchanging it, e.g. the "paper" currency gets destroyed, instead of given to the seller.
With incentivized crypto-assets, the cost of the future value is transferred to the future holders - and even though it may be subtle, it will become a very substantial amount; it already is a substantial amount that's been transferred, however there's a bigger base of holders now who want to at minimum get the money back they bought them for - and so becomes the marketing force behind it all, disregarding or ignorant of the negatives for society as a whole.
Edit: To add, can there be incentivized crypto-assets that are structured to be legitimate? It seems the angle that is being taken to legitimize this structure is that they perhaps mimic the structure of stocks on a stock market, however one major difference is that stocks on the stock market aren't used a transactional layer - and therefore don't have (hopefully) under or uneducated people making the trades/purchases; the whole purpose of these incentivized crypto-asset blockchains is of course to get general consumers/the masses a.k.a. highly likely under educated people buying/using them for their platforms as a transactional layer; people could otherwise simply pay fiat currency for access to identical services, without them adopting/vesting into these Pyramid-Ponzi scheme structures though (all who should be being educated that others must adopt/use the service in order to maintain the value for their crypto-asset; however is that education then too close to admitting it's a Ponzi-Pyramid scheme?). There are more differences than this example.
Re: Exit scammers run off with $660M in ICO earnings
#47Filecoin raised $257M and they had the support of a bunch of VCs, top crypto funds, smart crypto whales, and thousands of supporters around the world.
$660M for a coin no one has heard of? Doesn't add up.
Re: Exit scammers run off with $660M in ICO earnings
#48At this point you really can feel no sympathy towards anyone who gets suckered into these types of scams. Same thing with facebook scams or instagram/snapchat pyramid schemes. If you really are that nice word for lacking intelligence or any ability to think for yourself , then you deserve what you get in terms of financial loss or social backlash. There isn't even a target demographic for this, people from all over t…
Yep, as someone that has been around for years, I have no sympathy for alt-coiners. We told them to trust BTC only. We told them HODL applies to BTC only. We told them 99% of alt coins die. They decided not to listen.
How are those people you guys were telling to buy in and "HODL" at ~$20k doing now?
Re: Exit scammers run off with $660M in ICO earnings
#49> "Investors have been told that they would enjoy a profit rate of 48 percent a month from their initial investment, and recoup all investments after four months. People would also be rewarded with an eight percent commission for every new member they have introduced to the network." There's your red flags right there.
This is one thing most people don't understand. If someone is selling you a financial instrument with >6-7% annual returns, it's as ridiculous as someone selling you a time machine or the cure to death. The top 500 companies by market cap don't do much better than 6-7% annually on average.
Re: Exit scammers run off with $660M in ICO earnings
#50Where's the smart contract that collected those funds? I'm really skeptical about that $660M number. Filecoin raised $257M and they had the support of a bunch of VCs, top crypto funds, smart crypto whales, and thousands of supporters around the world. $660M for a coin no one has heard of? Doesn't add up.
https://etherscan.io/token/0xC8a8D2A81cc86b95beb04E5a320D7E5...