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Re: VC from Asia is skyrocketing

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Post by youpassbutter »

cwperkins wrote: post #7

I think it's always strange that the media frames this as "threatening" to shift power. On the one hand I agree that I would like to keep America investing in R&D to create the next great innovation that revolutionizes the world, on the other hand I do not fear other countries of the world overtaking us. I frankly think it's awesome to see other countries of the world investing and leapfrogging off of American innova…

> I think it's always strange that the media frames this as "threatening" to shift power.

Why is it strange? That's the purpose of a nation's propaganda organizations. The chinese media does the same thing. Every nation's media does it.

Re: VC from Asia is skyrocketing

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Post by csallen »

youpassbutter wrote: post #21
cwperkins wrote: post #7

I think it's always strange that the media frames this as "threatening" to shift power. On the one hand I agree that I would like to keep America investing in R&D to create the next great innovation that revolutionizes the world, on the other hand I do not fear other countries of the world overtaking us. I frankly think it's awesome to see other countries of the world investing and leapfrogging off of American innova…

> I think it's always strange that the media frames this as "threatening" to shift power. Why is it strange? That's the purpose of a nation's propaganda organizations. The chinese media does the same thing. Every nation's media does it.

You're not supposed to call our media propaganda. That's a word that can only be used for other nations' media.

Re: VC from Asia is skyrocketing

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Post by rdlecler1 »

abhiminator wrote: post #9

I remember The Economist doing a piece on this fairly recently[0] that talked exclusively about how China's tech VCs and established corporations (referring to the likes of Alibaba/Tencent) are challenging (and to a certain extent dethroning) Silicon Valley "monopoly" when it comes to investing in innovation/R&D in super critical areas like A.I., for example. One huge advantage Chinese corporations and startups have…

Don’t forget lower wages. Capital can go a lot further in China than in Silicon Valley. Frankly, I also see Chinese VCs being more open minded about what’s investible. Silicon Valley feels a bit like the British Emplire at its sunset.

Re: VC from Asia is skyrocketing

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Post by NicoJuicy »

abhiminator wrote: post #9

I remember The Economist doing a piece on this fairly recently[0] that talked exclusively about how China's tech VCs and established corporations (referring to the likes of Alibaba/Tencent) are challenging (and to a certain extent dethroning) Silicon Valley "monopoly" when it comes to investing in innovation/R&D in super critical areas like A.I., for example. One huge advantage Chinese corporations and startups have…

Except outside of china

Re: VC from Asia is skyrocketing

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Post by pkaye »

karthikb wrote: post #14
abhiminator wrote: post #9

I remember The Economist doing a piece on this fairly recently[0] that talked exclusively about how China's tech VCs and established corporations (referring to the likes of Alibaba/Tencent) are challenging (and to a certain extent dethroning) Silicon Valley "monopoly" when it comes to investing in innovation/R&D in super critical areas like A.I., for example. One huge advantage Chinese corporations and startups have…

Don't forget - a US immigration system that makes it incredibly difficult, expensive, and time consuming for individuals from China (and India, which is following the same VC trends as China, just time shifted) to come and settle in the US. Increasingly, money that would have flowed to US VCs can just stay "at home" and invest in talent that is increasingly staying.

What about the EB-5 visa?

Re: VC from Asia is skyrocketing

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Post by magduf »

csallen wrote: post #22
youpassbutter wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it's always strange that the media frames this as "threatening" to shift power. Why is it strange? That's the purpose of a nation's propaganda organizations. The chinese media does the same thing. Every nation's media does it.

You're not supposed to call our media propaganda. That's a word that can only be used for other nations' media.

Our media isn't propaganda, because it doesn't fit the definition. Propaganda is slanted views that are approved or promulgated by the reigning regime in a country. The news in the US simply isn't like that: just look at how anti-Trump most of it is (not saying this is a bad thing). Propagandized media is where the news media is really nothing more than a mouthpiece for the current regime, as you see in China and Russia, and doesn't air views contradictory to that regime.

This isn't to say that our media is completely neutral. No media really is. But it doesn't represent our current government, it represents the interests of its owners, who have different interests than our current leaders, and are frequently at odds with them. And of course, we have multiple media outlets, who frequently disagree with each other, a good example being Fox News.

Re: VC from Asia is skyrocketing

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Post by magduf »

kozikow wrote: post #6

I got a random idea: what if sites like HN, Reddit, RSS readers, etc. would have netflix-like subscription for articles? I don't care about WSJ or other paywall publishers. Especially not enough to subscribe. I however do care about occasional story that ends on HN.

That's not a bad idea, but it'd mean you'd need to subscribe to HN, Reddit, etc., because WSJ and other paywall publishers are going to want to get their money from somewhere. But I guess it's possible that sites like HN could institute an optional subscription system where you can pay a monthly subscription fee and then that's used to subscribe to these news sites through a special deal for linked articles.

Re: VC from Asia is skyrocketing

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Post by 2RTZZSro »

magduf wrote: post #27
csallen wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not supposed to call our media propaganda. That's a word that can only be used for other nations' media.

Our media isn't propaganda, because it doesn't fit the definition. Propaganda is slanted views that are approved or promulgated by the reigning regime in a country. The news in the US simply isn't like that: just look at how anti-Trump most of it is (not saying this is a bad thing). Propagandized media is where the news media is really nothing more than a mouthpiece for the current regime, as you see in China and Rus…

>slanted views that are approved or promulgated by the reigning regime in a country

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo

Re: VC from Asia is skyrocketing

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Post by z2 »

pkaye wrote: post #26
karthikb wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget - a US immigration system that makes it incredibly difficult, expensive, and time consuming for individuals from China (and India, which is following the same VC trends as China, just time shifted) to come and settle in the US. Increasingly, money that would have flowed to US VCs can just stay "at home" and invest in talent that is increasingly staying.

What about the EB-5 visa?

Assuming from the point of view of a founder, would they want to loan $500k to $1M to a US government-sanctioned project likely to return -100% to 3% over at least 5 years? If I had that money to spare AND was keen on founding a company, I'd more likely literally burn half the money for heating, and use the remaining half for a startup in my own country first.

For a VC looking to immigrate, maybe...

Edit: Or do you mean getting US VCs into said US government-sanctioned projects, so that the US can take EB-5 money and use it on VC funding? That's quite brilliant.

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