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The murder that shook Iceland

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Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by cornholio »

kkkaizer wrote: post #17

TL:DR on how was she killed?

Two danish sailors picked her up while drunk in a rental car, one of them got off to the ship and the other drove away with her and was not seen until the next morning when he returned the car with a large odometer reading.

Her body was eventually found naked and battered in a distant location, and the rental had forensic sings of having been cleaned of her blood. The sailor was recorded buying cleaning products at the same time, his DNA was found on her discarded clothes and her driving license was found in his cabin on the ship (along with a few pounds of hashish). A truly disturbed individual that tried to pin the murder on his colleague up until the very end.

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by rhcom2 »

oxymoron wrote: post #15
tom_mellior wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Economic inequality perhaps? If you sort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_eq... by "CIA Gini %" and skip the countries where there is no data in that column, then sort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... by the "2010" column, then squint a bit at the top ten or twenty countries in each list, they look kinda correlated. (Or co-correlated with a whole bunch of other…

According to Stephen Pinker, the correlation between inequality and violence is weak. It really surprised me, because I always assumed that they’d be linked.

That seems controversial considering all the people who found the opposite.

https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/00346530055...

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by nopressure »

middleclick wrote: post #19
nopressure wrote: post #2

>a country with one of the lowest murder rates in the world I wonder why...

The fact that you made a new account to comment this indicates to me that I should not assume good faith because I know what you were hinting at: race.

Yes but if I did say it like that it would've been flagged by now, instead of getting any kind of discussion or rebuttal about it, because that's how the hivemind works.

I also don't understand why is it bad faith to say or imply that racial homogeinity leads to better cohesion and in turn more safety and equality. I guess I'll never know because any kind of discussion about that is shut off for some reason.

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by PKop »

middleclick wrote: post #19
nopressure wrote: post #2

>a country with one of the lowest murder rates in the world I wonder why...

The fact that you made a new account to comment this indicates to me that I should not assume good faith because I know what you were hinting at: race.

He probably knew people wouldn't engage with him in good faith.

If you look up crime statistics, there is merit to the argument of homogenous culture = less violent crime. Do you disagree?

Take US as an example. We're always described as having a high gun crime and murder rate relative to some other developed nation.

But if you control for race, those numbers drop previously when looking at whites only. Is this not a worthy fact to point out?

Interesting also that Iceland has high gun ownership rates.. And still very low violent crime.

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by PKop »

nopressure wrote: post #25
middleclick wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that you made a new account to comment this indicates to me that I should not assume good faith because I know what you were hinting at: race.

Yes but if I did say it like that it would've been flagged by now, instead of getting any kind of discussion or rebuttal about it, because that's how the hivemind works. I also don't understand why is it bad faith to say or imply that racial homogeinity leads to better cohesion and in turn more safety and equality. I guess I'll never know because any kind of discussion about that is shut off for some reason.

Because we are told and must believe despite contradictory evidence that diversity is always and in every way "our strength".

Even though when discussing company hiring practices people switch their rhetoric to proclaim "our culture" is very important and we must keep our company's culture the same, bring on new people slowly as to preserve the culture etc, etc.

Interesting cognitive dissonance.

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by kkkaizer »

cornholio wrote: post #21
kkkaizer wrote: post #17

TL:DR on how was she killed?

Two danish sailors picked her up while drunk in a rental car, one of them got off to the ship and the other drove away with her and was not seen until the next morning when he returned the car with a large odometer reading. Her body was eventually found naked and battered in a distant location, and the rental had forensic sings of having been cleaned of her blood. The sailor was recorded buying cleaning products at t…

Thanks buddy.

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by oxymoron »

rhcom2 wrote: post #24
oxymoron wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Stephen Pinker, the correlation between inequality and violence is weak. It really surprised me, because I always assumed that they’d be linked.

That seems controversial considering all the people who found the opposite. https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/00346530055...

Quoting from _Better angels of our nature_ p119:

”Among economic measures, inequality is generally a better predictor of violence than unemployment. But The Gini coefficient, the standard index of inequality, actually rose in the United States from 1990 to 2000, while crime was fallinh, and it had hit its low point in 1968, when crime was soaring. The problem with invoking inequality to explain changes in violence is that while it correlates with violence across states and countries, it does not correlate with violence over time within a state or country, possibly because the real cause of the differences is not inequality per se but stable features of a state’s governance or culture that affect both inequality and violence. (For example, in unequal societies, poor neighbourhoods are left without police protection and can become zones of violent anarchy.)

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