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Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"issue"

Piracy is a real issue. It disrupts the money flow towards media distributors and artists, and thus weakens the economy.

[citations needed] I'm not aware of any research demonstrating that despite hearing this from the movie industry.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

#42

Am I the only one who senses a huge bias in this article? Arab writing, citing Russians, telling "law-abiding" citizens not to download. Everything seems to be designed to scare away the "good American people". Also...yes, you can transfer files over IMs. Yes, having good encryption protects everyone. Duh, where is the news? Maybe that's part of why the article feels extremely sensationalist to me. EDIT: > "It's actu…

> Also...yes, you can transfer files over IMs. Yes, having good encryption protects everyone. Duh, where is the news? Maybe that's part of why the article feels extremely sensationalist to me.

According to the article, you can upload as many files as you wish, each up to 1.5G in size to be hosted and shared publicly by telegram and you can do so anonymously. No other IM system allows for this.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

#43
post #27

> Law-abiding citizens: Please do NOT download. Thank you. I am not for piracy, but yes, let's all keep using SMS which has been compromised (and not fixed) for the last 30 years, and let's not use anything that gives us any security/privacy. All because some 0.001% of all users are stupid. Thanks but no thanks Mr theoutline.com > “Telegram is also very popular here,” a Russia-based channel owner I remember reading/w…

> I remember reading/watching in the news how Rusisa wants to outlaw Telegram, not because of piracy, but because the gov cannot spy on its people... It is actually happing now. Telegram can be blocked even today: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=h...

One minute after your comment a court made a decision to block Telegram in Russia.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

#44

Am I the only one who senses a huge bias in this article? Arab writing, citing Russians, telling "law-abiding" citizens not to download. Everything seems to be designed to scare away the "good American people". Also...yes, you can transfer files over IMs. Yes, having good encryption protects everyone. Duh, where is the news? Maybe that's part of why the article feels extremely sensationalist to me. EDIT: > "It's actu…

At least in the us, it’s not against the law to download pirated content, only to share it.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

#45
post #22

Doesn't it also mean that Telegram is a database of copyright infringing users associated with a phone number and all their actions cryptographically signed(can't claim you did not shared/viewed something)? You can argue if the copyright laws are good or bad but infringing these laws un-anonymously seems needlessly risky to me.

Never understood the logic of a privacy focused app asking for a phone number at all, let alone requiring one.

Really not a fan of how the phone app store market has normalised this.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

#46
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you, except for the fact that I have a couple of apps in the Apple Store and I wouldn't like someone copying and distributing freely my apps, and having 100,000 people enjoying my app while I collect only $1. That said, we fought to have DRM-free material, not for piracy purposes, but for ease-of-use. Let's please not lose this Right because of some thieves.

[OT] And when your app only costs a dollar to begin with, then people feel justified to pirate it, because it's basically worthless crap anyway or you'd charge more.

So it’s okay to steal chewing gum because it’s cheap and probably crap?

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

#47

Why is this vewed as an issue ? Copyright law is clearly law created by and for the corporations. Because real would concepts, such as stealing, do not really apply to the digital word. If you think of , say a movie as bread and say Netflix and a baker, then pirating a movie will be the same as buying a bread from the baker, make infinite copies of it and distribute them freely, it is not the same as stealing bread.…

I agree with you, except for the fact that I have a couple of apps in the Apple Store and I wouldn't like someone copying and distributing freely my apps, and having 100,000 people enjoying my app while I collect only $1. That said, we fought to have DRM-free material, not for piracy purposes, but for ease-of-use. Let's please not lose this Right because of some thieves.

I hate when people do this, what if I download the app and it will be garbage ? Id lose money, that's also a reason for pirating content, when I search for a book on a certain topic I usually would discard 3 or 4 matches before choosing what I need, and the only way to discard these matches would be to read part of the book, the part which usually doesn't get in the previews.

Piracy is not just a way of getting content for free it's also a way not to lose money.

Low quality content is being intentionally sold to you. Just look at some books on programming, they trick you on thinking that they do have quality info, but in fact are just lazy rewrites of specifications or man pages. I also remember reading from HN about a guy who made millions by selling total garbage books on amazon.

Eventually if I found a good book I buy it as a way to thank the author, but buying books before reading them it is just a way to motivate people to produce more mediocre content.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

#48
post #46
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[OT] And when your app only costs a dollar to begin with, then people feel justified to pirate it, because it's basically worthless crap anyway or you'd charge more.

So it’s okay to steal chewing gum because it’s cheap and probably crap?

No you don't steel anyting. You go to a guy who has bought the gum, and he somehow clones it and gives you the clone for free. This is not steeling, it sound more like a way to end word hunger.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

#49
post #42

Am I the only one who senses a huge bias in this article? Arab writing, citing Russians, telling "law-abiding" citizens not to download. Everything seems to be designed to scare away the "good American people". Also...yes, you can transfer files over IMs. Yes, having good encryption protects everyone. Duh, where is the news? Maybe that's part of why the article feels extremely sensationalist to me. EDIT: > "It's actu…

> Also...yes, you can transfer files over IMs. Yes, having good encryption protects everyone. Duh, where is the news? Maybe that's part of why the article feels extremely sensationalist to me. According to the article, you can upload as many files as you wish, each up to 1.5G in size to be hosted and shared publicly by telegram and you can do so anonymously. No other IM system allows for this.

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Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

#50
post #42

Am I the only one who senses a huge bias in this article? Arab writing, citing Russians, telling "law-abiding" citizens not to download. Everything seems to be designed to scare away the "good American people". Also...yes, you can transfer files over IMs. Yes, having good encryption protects everyone. Duh, where is the news? Maybe that's part of why the article feels extremely sensationalist to me. EDIT: > "It's actu…

> Also...yes, you can transfer files over IMs. Yes, having good encryption protects everyone. Duh, where is the news? Maybe that's part of why the article feels extremely sensationalist to me. According to the article, you can upload as many files as you wish, each up to 1.5G in size to be hosted and shared publicly by telegram and you can do so anonymously. No other IM system allows for this.

Thank you for pointing that out. I was not aware that the content is actually stored on Telegram's servers. The first example picture looked like typical link-sharing in some IM channel and I kind of overlooked the download buttons.

Still, that does not change my critique of the article's style.

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