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Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by barking »

HenryBemis wrote: post #18
bligh____ wrote: post #16

Why is this vewed as an issue ? Copyright law is clearly law created by and for the corporations. Because real would concepts, such as stealing, do not really apply to the digital word. If you think of , say a movie as bread and say Netflix and a baker, then pirating a movie will be the same as buying a bread from the baker, make infinite copies of it and distribute them freely, it is not the same as stealing bread.…

I agree with you, except for the fact that I have a couple of apps in the Apple Store and I wouldn't like someone copying and distributing freely my apps, and having 100,000 people enjoying my app while I collect only $1. That said, we fought to have DRM-free material, not for piracy purposes, but for ease-of-use. Let's please not lose this Right because of some thieves.

[OT] And when your app only costs a dollar to begin with, then people feel justified to pirate it, because it's basically worthless crap anyway or you'd charge more.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by carlacheers »

HenryBemis wrote: post #15

> Law-abiding citizens: Please do NOT download. Thank you. I am not for piracy, but yes, let's all keep using SMS which has been compromised (and not fixed) for the last 30 years, and let's not use anything that gives us any security/privacy. All because some 0.001% of all users are stupid. Thanks but no thanks Mr theoutline.com > “Telegram is also very popular here,” a Russia-based channel owner I remember reading/w…

You're assuming that if an app offers you encrypted conversations, it is okay for it to let a cottage industry of piracy marketplaces to thrive. If that was an okay thing to do, WhatsApp, Apple, WeChat and others would allow it to. The article illustrates that Telegram has a piracy problem. Piracy is not a cool thing. Anyone could search for "movies" etc terms and end up on these channels. They are open and you don't have to join them to read the content. The least Telegram could do is monitor open channels. Check Twitter, and other forums, there are countless posts from creators asking Telegram to take down the channel, but Telegram doesn't seem to care. If these creators were able to find their own stuff floating around on these channels, Telegram should be able to do that, too. Don't start the encryption debate, that is not what this article is trying to talk about.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by Akujin »

thecatspaw wrote: post #9
lloeki wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Twenty or so of my friends of friends use Telegram. None of them use it for mundane things such as chatting. Alternate anecdata: twenty or so of my friends use Telegram. All of them use it for mundane things† such as chatting, none for piracy. It hasn't even crossed the mind. † We use it as an alternative to Facebook/Facebook groups/Instagram/Messenger.

The only thing I've done on telegram remotely related to piracy was moving a (admitedly torrented) video from one machine to another. Use it daily for communication

I didn't consider using it for piracy cause I didn't even know Telegram had groups. Heh. Talk about drawing attention.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by carlacheers »

ersh wrote: post #32

Wow I did not know about that. I will go and check it out. I don't quite understand how Telegram can host the content. If it is just distributing the links, it does not count.

Telegram lets you upload content directly on the platform -- as long as the file size is under 1.5GB. Once you have uploaded the stuff, you can share it with others, who only need to tap on the download button to directly get the file on their device from Telegram's servers.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by realusername »

John_KZ wrote: post #20
bligh____ wrote: post #16

Why is this vewed as an issue ? Copyright law is clearly law created by and for the corporations. Because real would concepts, such as stealing, do not really apply to the digital word. If you think of , say a movie as bread and say Netflix and a baker, then pirating a movie will be the same as buying a bread from the baker, make infinite copies of it and distribute them freely, it is not the same as stealing bread.…

Piracy fixed some issues (like extremely inflated profit margins in the Music/Movie industry) but it also created some others. It is no longer possible for small producers of movies or documentaries to fund themselves. It's also not possible to distribute software for people to run on their own machines and still get paid. The piracy era was incredibly beneficial for society because it gave a lot of people access to…

> It is no longer possible for small producers of movies or documentaries to fund themselves.

When was this golden age? Before the internet was widespread, small producers could not even get broadcasted due to the prohibitive cost of broadcasting methods.

> The piracy era was incredibly beneficial for society because it gave a lot of people access to software tools and knowledge they previously could never afford to access, but when it proliferated too much, the companies and individuals that produced software and books and video could no longer sustain themselves financially.

There's currently no research suggesting that piracy makes creators lose money unlike the movie industries are claiming.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by LOLCAT1024 »

John_KZ wrote: post #20
bligh____ wrote: post #16

Why is this vewed as an issue ? Copyright law is clearly law created by and for the corporations. Because real would concepts, such as stealing, do not really apply to the digital word. If you think of , say a movie as bread and say Netflix and a baker, then pirating a movie will be the same as buying a bread from the baker, make infinite copies of it and distribute them freely, it is not the same as stealing bread.…

Piracy fixed some issues (like extremely inflated profit margins in the Music/Movie industry) but it also created some others. It is no longer possible for small producers of movies or documentaries to fund themselves. It's also not possible to distribute software for people to run on their own machines and still get paid. The piracy era was incredibly beneficial for society because it gave a lot of people access to…

> It is no longer possible for small producers of movies or documentaries to fund themselves.

KickStarter allow small producers to fund themselves, YouTube allow to monetize your views.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by hnarn »

HenryBemis wrote: post #15

> Law-abiding citizens: Please do NOT download. Thank you. I am not for piracy, but yes, let's all keep using SMS which has been compromised (and not fixed) for the last 30 years, and let's not use anything that gives us any security/privacy. All because some 0.001% of all users are stupid. Thanks but no thanks Mr theoutline.com > “Telegram is also very popular here,” a Russia-based channel owner I remember reading/w…

>Who does this article really work for?

An important point. Criticism so far of Telegram has almost exclusively been of the fact that they refuse to hand over encryption keys to governments. For P2P piracy, there are more effective and more popular options than Telegram.

When encryption is being debated, you can be sure a few cards will always be played, among them are: intellectual property (piracy), black market commerce, and child pornography.

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