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Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by cornholio »

sidkhanooja wrote: post #2

First time I have ever seen this actually being discussed online. Twenty or so of my friends of friends use Telegram. None of them use it for mundane things such as chatting. You name the content, you have a channel for it, ergo you have direct download links for it. But how is this any worse than downloading illegal content through torrents (TPB et al.)? EDIT: Should have worded this more correctly. I am not a parti…

I see they are using the built-in download feature. So video content is stored on Telegram file caching servers? That would make Telegram a direct participant in the ilicit trade.

Once a group reaches a certain size and it is public, it's impossible to claim "they are just some friends trading private files thorough a neutral communication app". Telegram becomes a bona fide pirating app, and the "uploaders" just minor co-conspirators.

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Post by Asooka »

bligh____ wrote: post #8
animeseinfeld wrote: post #5

Here's a [video]( https://twitter.com/refsrc/status/984643353768685568 ) -- by the reporter who wrote the story -- which shows the widespread of the issue.

"issue"

Piracy is a real issue. It disrupts the money flow towards media distributors and artists, and thus weakens the economy.

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Post by [deleted] »

sidkhanooja wrote: post #2

First time I have ever seen this actually being discussed online. Twenty or so of my friends of friends use Telegram. None of them use it for mundane things such as chatting. You name the content, you have a channel for it, ergo you have direct download links for it. But how is this any worse than downloading illegal content through torrents (TPB et al.)? EDIT: Should have worded this more correctly. I am not a parti…

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Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by HenryBemis »

> Law-abiding citizens: Please do NOT download. Thank you.

I am not for piracy, but yes, let's all keep using SMS which has been compromised (and not fixed) for the last 30 years, and let's not use anything that gives us any security/privacy.

All because some 0.001% of all users are stupid.

Thanks but no thanks Mr theoutline.com

> “Telegram is also very popular here,” a Russia-based channel owner

I remember reading/watching in the news how Rusisa wants to outlaw Telegram, not because of piracy, but because the gov cannot spy on its people...

Who does this article really work for?

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by bligh____ »

Why is this vewed as an issue ? Copyright law is clearly law created by and for the corporations. Because real would concepts, such as stealing, do not really apply to the digital word. If you think of , say a movie as bread and say Netflix and a baker, then pirating a movie will be the same as buying a bread from the baker, make infinite copies of it and distribute them freely, it is not the same as stealing bread.

I don't see how is this wrong. Broken buisness models, which did not account for the web and lobbying made copyright what it is today, it's not a law which I feel morally aligned to.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by rostigerpudel »

Am I the only one who senses a huge bias in this article? Arab writing, citing Russians, telling "law-abiding" citizens not to download. Everything seems to be designed to scare away the "good American people".

Also...yes, you can transfer files over IMs. Yes, having good encryption protects everyone. Duh, where is the news? Maybe that's part of why the article feels extremely sensationalist to me.

EDIT: > "It's actually a challenge to use Telegram and not run into these sketchy groups."

Well, it's a challenge to use ANY messaging and not run into sketchy stuff. Just take a look at your Facebook or Twitter or Instagram or whatever timeline...

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by HenryBemis »

bligh____ wrote: post #16

Why is this vewed as an issue ? Copyright law is clearly law created by and for the corporations. Because real would concepts, such as stealing, do not really apply to the digital word. If you think of , say a movie as bread and say Netflix and a baker, then pirating a movie will be the same as buying a bread from the baker, make infinite copies of it and distribute them freely, it is not the same as stealing bread.…

I agree with you, except for the fact that I have a couple of apps in the Apple Store and I wouldn't like someone copying and distributing freely my apps, and having 100,000 people enjoying my app while I collect only $1.

That said, we fought to have DRM-free material, not for piracy purposes, but for ease-of-use. Let's please not lose this Right because of some thieves.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by Sacho »

Asooka wrote: post #12
bligh____ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"issue"

Piracy is a real issue. It disrupts the money flow towards media distributors and artists, and thus weakens the economy.

Er, how does it weaken the economy? The money that the corporations don't get doesn't actually vanish in a puff of smoke, it's still in posession of economic actors, who either purchase something else or invest it in a bank/stock.

What it does is reduce the profit of those corporations, which may make their business unsustainable and lead to this market shrinking, which may cause economic instability while people reorganize their effort towards another market. Those are all hypotheticals though, because the industries affected by piracy are all growing fairly rapidly.

Does competition weaken the economy? There's plenty of examples(e.g. computer hardware) where competition has eroded profit and changed the market dynamics, especially for new entrants. Do clearance sales weaken the economy? Free samples? Does generic medicine hurt the economy? There's so many cases of corporations not realizing the profits they might have wanted, but I don't see how they weaken the economy.

Re: Telegram is the hot new source for pirated content

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Post by John_KZ »

bligh____ wrote: post #16

Why is this vewed as an issue ? Copyright law is clearly law created by and for the corporations. Because real would concepts, such as stealing, do not really apply to the digital word. If you think of , say a movie as bread and say Netflix and a baker, then pirating a movie will be the same as buying a bread from the baker, make infinite copies of it and distribute them freely, it is not the same as stealing bread.…

Piracy fixed some issues (like extremely inflated profit margins in the Music/Movie industry) but it also created some others. It is no longer possible for small producers of movies or documentaries to fund themselves. It's also not possible to distribute software for people to run on their own machines and still get paid.

The piracy era was incredibly beneficial for society because it gave a lot of people access to software tools and knowledge they previously could never afford to access, but when it proliferated too much, the companies and individuals that produced software and books and video could no longer sustain themselves financially.

This doesn't mean piracy is inherently bad but instead we need a better system that can provide income to those producing useful material while ensuring access to that material to everyone that needs it. It's hard to achieve but it's certainly not impossible.

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