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Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by dkarl »

rock_hard wrote: post #114
jug wrote: post #108

The social network I'd like to try is this: * Funded by subscriptions. * Free from ads. * Since it is not ad dependent, yes, it can also provide a chronological timeline. * Two post types supported: Text and Photo. Because sometimes a photo does tell a thousand words. * Links to websites not supported in posts. Avoids viral proliferation of dumbed down politics, fake news, or stupid memes. If you want to get to the w…

I think you are conflicting what people want with what people would use! Also: feeds are not ranked because of monetization...they are ranked because they work better that way

I don't know if feeds really work better that way. There are people I wish I was still following on Facebook because I'd like to get the highlights of what happens to them (moves, deaths, other important life events) but I had to drop them because they post trivial shit that gets dozens or hundreds of likes. Reactions were designed to help with that problem (sad news can get sad reactions so it can get elevated the same way a "liked" post can) but people still get more sad reactions when they post a link to a news article about pollution or kids dying in a car crash in another country than when they announce that they themselves have a serious illness.

I wish there was a social network that could somehow avoid people competing to post the highest volume of popular content, so they could relax and focus on posting information about themselves that other people want to know. But even if you were somehow able to force people to just post about themselves, no third-party content, there are plenty of people who would make a meal of it by posting endless videos about their grooming regimen, their cooking, or cute stuff their cat does. It all just devolves into competing for attention. Hmmm.

How about a social network in which everybody is guaranteed equal exposure, and posting more content only dilutes your own content, not everybody else's?

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by rock_hard »

cobbzilla wrote: post #116
rubyfan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand the decentralized part of your comment. There’s a reason Facebook and perhaps AOL before it was successful - it’s easy and everyone is there. I’m a huge privacy advocate but the decentralized Facebook alternatives are a little wonky for most to get their heads around. Jane Average user could care less about blockchain hosted personal data. In most cases Jane just wants Facebook and is a little worr…

Can Jane Average understand how email works? Because that's really all their is to understand about distributed social networks: you own your data, but if you send someone a message you should consider it public (could be shared/forwarded to anyone) unless you trust the recipient not to share it.

I am not really sure what you are talking about...a email account consists of either emails you received or emails you sent.

So naturally for all your emails you have in your inbox the sender has them in their outbox...and every email you sent also exists as a copy in somebody else’s inbox.

And you can’t control whether the other parties host their own email server or if they use a hosted service...in which case, guess what: now a third party also has a copy.

Now to hosting your own email server...who is gonna stop your Datacenter from obtaining a copy of your emails? They call it backups ;)

It’s easy to talk to your Barista about decentralization and blockchain as the solution to privacy...but actually making that a reality is not.

And we haven’t even touched on spam...how you gonna fight that in a decentralized network? How about bots?

I could go on but I hope you get the picture.

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by rock_hard »

dkarl wrote: post #131
rock_hard wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are conflicting what people want with what people would use! Also: feeds are not ranked because of monetization...they are ranked because they work better that way

I don't know if feeds really work better that way. There are people I wish I was still following on Facebook because I'd like to get the highlights of what happens to them (moves, deaths, other important life events) but I had to drop them because they post trivial shit that gets dozens or hundreds of likes. Reactions were designed to help with that problem (sad news can get sad reactions so it can get elevated the s…

You raise some good points...a ranked feed is certainly also not perfect...but at least you got the flexibility to do all the things you proposed.

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by puzzle »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #109
puzzle wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A perfectly good explanation is deterring spammers.

I recommend you check out what a click farm looks like: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=click%20farm

I know what they look like, but I also know about services like Sift Science. I used "deterring" rather than stronger words for a reason. On a couple of former teams, I had to deal occasionally with spammer scum.

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by pmoriarty »

magic_beans wrote: post #129
pmoriarty wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd add to that: - Decentralized - Designed with strong privacy and anonymity of its users in mind

Anonymity? Why be on a social network at all in that case? You might as well just maintain a blog.

People could still use nicks.

That's basically what the old internet and old BBS systems were like, before anyone cared to track and spy on their users.

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by jwmoz »

jug wrote: post #108

The social network I'd like to try is this: * Funded by subscriptions. * Free from ads. * Since it is not ad dependent, yes, it can also provide a chronological timeline. * Two post types supported: Text and Photo. Because sometimes a photo does tell a thousand words. * Links to websites not supported in posts. Avoids viral proliferation of dumbed down politics, fake news, or stupid memes. If you want to get to the w…

It will never work. Nobody will pay - no users.

Remember app.net?

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by igravious »

beager wrote: post #41

I think we are beyond the point where services can lead with being a social network and succeed. Every service that supports multi-user interaction is a network, and every network that supports personal expression in its interactions is a social network. A service that is, as this is billed, just a social network, with no clear defining feature or problem it’s solving, is vapid and akin to the dotcom bubble. I’m find…

Hear hear.

While I agree with your main points I would object to your objection that someone can't launch a social network in and of itself. But I do think if you're going to launch a social network you're going to have to tell me how to differentiate your product from all the other products out there.

From reading the comments here I think a new social network needs to say the following up front:

  - closed or open source?
  - centralised or decentralised? federated or not?
  - up-front fee, subscription service or paid for by advertising?
  - privacy policy, what is it? share with 3rd party?
  - is there an API? how granular is it?
  - what about sharing and following?
  - what specific niche are you aiming at or are you going for a general audience?
  - is your product aiming to be a platform?
  - how are you different from the incumbents?
  - mobile or web or native or some combination of the above?
  - in short, let me know your angle, and give me reasons to try you out
Frankly, for me, the fact that you started another social network and let it die would discourage me from trying your new effort. And stuff like `stay beautiful' strikes me as saccharine and inauthentic though maybe I've become too cynical, clearly I'm not within the target audience.

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by pythonaut_16 »

notheguyouthink wrote: post #64

It's strange, in all this anti-socialnetwork craze, I'm craving a social network. As it stands, I love the concept of a social network. I want a platform that facilitates at arms length socialization, because I'm rarely that in-person social with most of the people I know. A social network fills that need nicely. Yet, with that said, I don't want centralization or obvious control over the information flow and ultimat…

I really like Scuttlebutt but there are still quite a few rough edges.

I don't really like that pubs work by me following them and them following me. When I open Patchwork most of my feed for any given channel is filled with notifications of people subscribing to that channel rather than actual posts.

But I do really like the adhoc, decentralized nature of it.

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by [deleted] »

todd3834 wrote: post #111
jug wrote: post #108

The social network I'd like to try is this: * Funded by subscriptions. * Free from ads. * Since it is not ad dependent, yes, it can also provide a chronological timeline. * Two post types supported: Text and Photo. Because sometimes a photo does tell a thousand words. * Links to websites not supported in posts. Avoids viral proliferation of dumbed down politics, fake news, or stupid memes. If you want to get to the w…

Disabling links to websites in posts for the sake of preventing fake news is kind of sad. I get why but it feels like punishing the majority for the minority of bad actors. It’s also still possible to spread fake news without a link. Anyways, this is your ideal network and so please disregard my opinion on how it should work :)

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