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Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by todd3834 »

jug wrote: post #108

The social network I'd like to try is this: * Funded by subscriptions. * Free from ads. * Since it is not ad dependent, yes, it can also provide a chronological timeline. * Two post types supported: Text and Photo. Because sometimes a photo does tell a thousand words. * Links to websites not supported in posts. Avoids viral proliferation of dumbed down politics, fake news, or stupid memes. If you want to get to the w…

Disabling links to websites in posts for the sake of preventing fake news is kind of sad. I get why but it feels like punishing the majority for the minority of bad actors. It’s also still possible to spread fake news without a link.

Anyways, this is your ideal network and so please disregard my opinion on how it should work :)

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by NetOpWibby »

jug wrote: post #108

The social network I'd like to try is this: * Funded by subscriptions. * Free from ads. * Since it is not ad dependent, yes, it can also provide a chronological timeline. * Two post types supported: Text and Photo. Because sometimes a photo does tell a thousand words. * Links to websites not supported in posts. Avoids viral proliferation of dumbed down politics, fake news, or stupid memes. If you want to get to the w…

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I’m working on a social network that does most of what you mentioned. I never thought about reposts being a quick and easy way of stopping the spread of viral misinformation, I like that idea.

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by rock_hard »

jug wrote: post #108

The social network I'd like to try is this: * Funded by subscriptions. * Free from ads. * Since it is not ad dependent, yes, it can also provide a chronological timeline. * Two post types supported: Text and Photo. Because sometimes a photo does tell a thousand words. * Links to websites not supported in posts. Avoids viral proliferation of dumbed down politics, fake news, or stupid memes. If you want to get to the w…

I think you are conflicting what people want with what people would use!

Also: feeds are not ranked because of monetization...they are ranked because they work better that way

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by BeetleB »

jug wrote: post #108

The social network I'd like to try is this: * Funded by subscriptions. * Free from ads. * Since it is not ad dependent, yes, it can also provide a chronological timeline. * Two post types supported: Text and Photo. Because sometimes a photo does tell a thousand words. * Links to websites not supported in posts. Avoids viral proliferation of dumbed down politics, fake news, or stupid memes. If you want to get to the w…

When most people think of social networks, they think of a way to connect with friends and family - not a way of discussing interesting issues (i.e. forums).

"Funded by subscriptions" more or less guarantees the former will not happen. People want stuff for free.

>Shares or "retweets" not supported. Also to disrupt viral spreading of stuff that is almost never about socializing, and nowadays instead disturbingly often about wanting to be virally spread as a goal in itself.

Sadly, reshares are part and parcel of a community - even before the days of the Internet. For many, gossip is part of socializing. A friend posted that he's just getting married. People will want to spread the word. How can they without reshares? Rewrite it themselves? Resharing is simply part of usual human interaction.

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by cobbzilla »

rubyfan wrote: post #8
deanclatworthy wrote: post #2

Whilst the founder has credibility in this space, I don't see what the problem is they are solving. There are many communities all across the internet, and also in centralised places like Facebook & reddit. Forums still remain hugely popular for niche community operators. The only way social is going to work and be improved going forward is through decentralisation and taking our data out of the hands of a central re…

I don’t understand the decentralized part of your comment. There’s a reason Facebook and perhaps AOL before it was successful - it’s easy and everyone is there. I’m a huge privacy advocate but the decentralized Facebook alternatives are a little wonky for most to get their heads around. Jane Average user could care less about blockchain hosted personal data. In most cases Jane just wants Facebook and is a little worr…

Can Jane Average understand how email works? Because that's really all their is to understand about distributed social networks: you own your data, but if you send someone a message you should consider it public (could be shared/forwarded to anyone) unless you trust the recipient not to share it.

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by pmoriarty »

jug wrote: post #108

The social network I'd like to try is this: * Funded by subscriptions. * Free from ads. * Since it is not ad dependent, yes, it can also provide a chronological timeline. * Two post types supported: Text and Photo. Because sometimes a photo does tell a thousand words. * Links to websites not supported in posts. Avoids viral proliferation of dumbed down politics, fake news, or stupid memes. If you want to get to the w…

I'd add to that:

- Decentralized

- Designed with strong privacy and anonymity of its users in mind

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by 51Cards »

rubyfan wrote: post #8
deanclatworthy wrote: post #2

Whilst the founder has credibility in this space, I don't see what the problem is they are solving. There are many communities all across the internet, and also in centralised places like Facebook & reddit. Forums still remain hugely popular for niche community operators. The only way social is going to work and be improved going forward is through decentralisation and taking our data out of the hands of a central re…

I don’t understand the decentralized part of your comment. There’s a reason Facebook and perhaps AOL before it was successful - it’s easy and everyone is there. I’m a huge privacy advocate but the decentralized Facebook alternatives are a little wonky for most to get their heads around. Jane Average user could care less about blockchain hosted personal data. In most cases Jane just wants Facebook and is a little worr…

I don't really see the decentralized argument. I believe it's meant to solve a noble intent but in reality for a network to be successful all the information has to be readily available. You can't have a social network that says "Hey, thanks for posting about your birthday... we'll ensure it filters out to all nodes within at least 21 days".

So if all information has to be accessible and any node has access to all of it, or can aggregate it over time, then it's effectively centralized. Not to mention multiple nodes means anyone can tap into the information stream for whatever purpose.

So I see a case where centralization is somewhat critical but with tighter controls over what that data can be used for. Facebook was a headlong charge into new territory in information management and now I think we need to step back and examine how we better manage that.

That said I've spent about as much time thinking on it in depth as I have writing this post so I may be missing something quite obvious.

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by BeetleB »

gliboc wrote: post #92
rubyfan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand the decentralized part of your comment. There’s a reason Facebook and perhaps AOL before it was successful - it’s easy and everyone is there. I’m a huge privacy advocate but the decentralized Facebook alternatives are a little wonky for most to get their heads around. Jane Average user could care less about blockchain hosted personal data. In most cases Jane just wants Facebook and is a little worr…

Decentralized is the only way to know for sure your data is not being treated server-side against your wishes. This will certainly be the future of the social internet. However, blockchain is absolutely not the only decentralization support, and might be the worst candidate to store data ever. If your comment about that was not a joke, then maybe you should actualize your knowledge on decentralized algorithms (for ex…

>Decentralized is the only way to know for sure your data is not being treated server-side against your wishes. This will certainly be the future of the social internet.

As a society, we are not even close to being there. There isn't a single person I personally know who has decided to leave Facebook for this reason.

>Moreover, it's inacurate : the current scandal and outfire against Facebook mostly comes from "Jane Average" people, and not the technical community who's mostly saying "we already knew it".

Frankly, I see little evidence of this. It seems mostly coming from activists.

Re: Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

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Post by ahtu123 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #73
Communitivity wrote: post #19

The founder has an amazing history, and the description of Hello is enticing but vague of what differentiates it. None of that matters for me though, because when I attempted to sign up from my laptop I got the message 'Sorry, we're mobile only'. I see no compelling reason to be mobile-only at full launch. Mobile-first for your MVP with early adopters, yes that makes a great deal of sense. But when a company does a f…

Being mobile-only ensures that the network will only consist of pictures and low-effort posts. That's fine, there's a bigger market for Instagram competitors than for social networks with substance. But between that and the video that consisted almost solely of liking cat pictures makes it obvious that it's not for me.

It seems quite a bit like reddit. Just subscribe to outdoorsy and cat subreddits and you've got it
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