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Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by nerform »

stevekemp wrote: post #58
virgilp wrote: post #49

For me, the biggest roadblock is actually owning ETH. You may thing that's trivial, but I'm not so sure. Apparently 10m people in the world own SOME form of crypto[1] - so, there's your upper bound on number of users. For a mass-market product, 10m is really not that much .... you don't just need "traction", you need traction that is so significant that it pushes up the entire crypto market! I'm skeptical, but who kn…

Agreed. Not just that but the overview suggests: * I have to be using Firefox. * And I have to install a firefox extension. * And I have to have ETH.

There is not Firefox requirement.

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by kristianc »

decentralised wrote: post #60
virgilp wrote: post #49

For me, the biggest roadblock is actually owning ETH. You may thing that's trivial, but I'm not so sure. Apparently 10m people in the world own SOME form of crypto[1] - so, there's your upper bound on number of users. For a mass-market product, 10m is really not that much .... you don't just need "traction", you need traction that is so significant that it pushes up the entire crypto market! I'm skeptical, but who kn…

Web3 applications will require users to have tokens so they can interact with the DApp, so either a network token like Ether or a utility token like BAT is needed. The tradeoff is that your data isn't mined and sold for advertisers and your content can't be demonetised or otherwise censored by the platform. In the context of social media, I believe the cost will serve as deterrent to trolling and harassment. For all…

'So if users don't adopt obscure decentralized platforms underpinned by crappy UI and strange, unfamiliar cryptocurrencies en masse, really it's their own fault'

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by api »

whalesalad wrote: post #18

I’d seriously reconsider the name. I understand it’s a combo of peep+eth but combining them is really not gonna resonate with anyone.

Thou hast peepeth? I think it's clever.

I don't think it matters that much as long as people can remember and spell it. Google wasn't a resonant name with anyone except math nerds.

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by josephwegner »

I appreciate all of these distributed social networks (Mastodon, Peepeth, Diaspora, etc.) getting some buzz right now. I think distributed hosting of social networks is an important step forward.

However, they're all lacking one major thing that needs to happen in order for a true Facebook Exodus to take place - distributed discovery and consumption. Facebook has a HUGE network effect, and simply put there is no way any of my acquaintances are going to leave Facebook just because of the recent news. I can start a Mastodon node, but I would be shouting into a void - there's no one there to see my content, and no incentive for someone to move over. If I _did_ convince anyone to move, they'd be shouting into the same void, and get bored. There needs to be a way for us early adopters to post content, but let it still reach people that haven't jumped yet.

Right now the best solution I have for this is something pull-based like RSS. Even that's not a great solution, though - my average acquaintance no longer uses RSS. I might be able to get my mom to install Feedly, but no way is my old friend from High School going to install it. Open to hear ideas around this.

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by kristianc »

josephwegner wrote: post #65

I appreciate all of these distributed social networks (Mastodon, Peepeth, Diaspora, etc.) getting some buzz right now. I think distributed hosting of social networks is an important step forward. However, they're all lacking one major thing that needs to happen in order for a true Facebook Exodus to take place - distributed discovery and consumption. Facebook has a HUGE network effect, and simply put there is no way…

For a lot of people, RSS hasn't gone away. They just call it Apple News. It has very quietly scaled to 70M MAUs and lets you add custom news feeds.

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by gregknicholson »

bevan wrote: post #25
berberous wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) The word "microblogging" threw me off -- for some reason, I hear "blogging", and don't realize it's meant to be a twitter clone. 2) Maybe it's just me, but the full page image of the woman on your landing page makes me want to close out rather than engage and find out what the product is. I'd rather see top peeps immediately, with a partial landing banner for new users. 3) I think the most critical task for a prod…

Thanks! 1) Yeah, it's a weird word. Other suggestions appreciated. 2) Good feedback. 3) Branding is a top priority. This front-end is meant to polarize for a certain type of user. That becomes more clear during on-ramp and usage. Copy/messaging needs work. Suggestions appreciated. 4) Thank you. Best way is to DM me on Twitter at @bevanbarton with the email address you signed up with and I'll approve you ASAP.

On the word “microblogging”: I think this may actually be the fundamental problem with all Twitter clones (so I'm not singling out your project; you just happen to be here).

For a mass-market tool, it should be possible to describe the purpose your tool using words that have existed for more than a couple of decades. At the moment, the shorthand is always “like Twitter, except not quite”.

So is it public chat? personal status updates? a public short-form diary? crap poetry? a personal news feed? a way to contact companies with short messages?

All of these are valid, and maybe it's several, but perhaps choosing one use-case to focus on will lead to a clearer offering.

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by virgilp »

rkangel wrote: post #54
virgilp wrote: post #49

For me, the biggest roadblock is actually owning ETH. You may thing that's trivial, but I'm not so sure. Apparently 10m people in the world own SOME form of crypto[1] - so, there's your upper bound on number of users. For a mass-market product, 10m is really not that much .... you don't just need "traction", you need traction that is so significant that it pushes up the entire crypto market! I'm skeptical, but who kn…

The counterpoint is that you could look at it like encrypting your messages. For years, using PGP for email was possible, but only a few people did, because it was clunky and they didn't care enough. The climate changed, but so did technology. WhatsApp now makes E2E message encryption trivial, due to the work they've put in to make it easy for users. You could argue that if a cryptocurrency based service made the usa…

You're right but it's not really a counterpoint, it's just supporting/ alternate angle on my original point: for something like Peepeth to be mass-market-popular, it needs the underlying technology (cryptocurrencies) to be mass-market-popular, not just popular-in-some-niche (however large that niche is). So this service seems to be betting its future on the fact that some analogue of "whatsapp" will appear, that will make cryptocurrencies trivial to use. Do you know of any such service? THAT is something I'd be really interested to invest in :)

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by decentralised »

kristianc wrote: post #62
decentralised wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Web3 applications will require users to have tokens so they can interact with the DApp, so either a network token like Ether or a utility token like BAT is needed. The tradeoff is that your data isn't mined and sold for advertisers and your content can't be demonetised or otherwise censored by the platform. In the context of social media, I believe the cost will serve as deterrent to trolling and harassment. For all…

'So if users don't adopt obscure decentralized platforms underpinned by crappy UI and strange, unfamiliar cryptocurrencies en masse, really it's their own fault'

Put some of your own resources into making a better version.

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by rkangel »

virgilp wrote: post #68
rkangel wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The counterpoint is that you could look at it like encrypting your messages. For years, using PGP for email was possible, but only a few people did, because it was clunky and they didn't care enough. The climate changed, but so did technology. WhatsApp now makes E2E message encryption trivial, due to the work they've put in to make it easy for users. You could argue that if a cryptocurrency based service made the usa…

You're right but it's not really a counterpoint, it's just supporting/ alternate angle on my original point: for something like Peepeth to be mass-market-popular, it needs the underlying technology (cryptocurrencies) to be mass-market-popular, not just popular-in-some-niche (however large that niche is). So this service seems to be betting its future on the fact that some analogue of "whatsapp" will appear, that will…

The point I was trying to make with the WhatsApp examples is that the work to make it easier could be part of Peepeth. I don't think WhatsApp is leveraging much existing work to do what it does, they've just come up with a good flow that fits their model.

Yes, the challenge for Peepeth is probably greater than that faced by WhatsApp, but not impossible.

The implicit assumption being made in the parent is that the current market size is dictated by UX, rather than something else like a compelling use case for the majority of the population. I'm suggesting that with some UX work and a compelling use case (which Peepeth may or may not be), there is nothing preventing large scale adoption of crypto.

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