Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging • Hacker News Board

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by icc97 » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:14 AM UTC

bevan wrote: post #25

berberous wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) The word "microblogging" threw me off -- for some reason, I hear "blogging", and don't realize it's meant to be a twitter clone. 2) Maybe it's just me, but the full page image of the woman on your landing page makes me want to close out rather than engage and find out what the product is. I'd rather see top peeps immediately, with a partial landing banner for new users. 3) I think the most critical task for a prod…

Thanks! 1) Yeah, it's a weird word. Other suggestions appreciated. 2) Good feedback. 3) Branding is a top priority. This front-end is meant to polarize for a certain type of user. That becomes more clear during on-ramp and usage. Copy/messaging needs work. Suggestions appreciated. 4) Thank you. Best way is to DM me on Twitter at @bevanbarton with the email address you signed up with and I'll approve you ASAP.

Could just copy Wikipedia [0]:

> online news and social networking service

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by icebraining » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:38 AM UTC

HenryBemis wrote: post #50

johnnylambada wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um... cryptokitties? But seriously a lot of people don't think Twitter is non essential. Once in the block chain a message can't be deleted, which could prove to make better discourse.

And this is why no politician, celebrity may never join it. Too much at stake! As for microblogging, from the title I thought of a Tumblr/Twitter alternative, but I guess not :) I own crypto but not ETH, and respectfully I don't want to get into ETH just for this. On the upside thought, making people "work for it" will keep away trolls and time-wasters/haters. I hope it grows to see it how you like!

Politicians already have https://politwoops.eu/

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by rory096 » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:38 AM UTC

bevan wrote: post #3

Hi all, Peepeth creator here. Would appreciate your thoughts. https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/87k9iz/presenting... https://www.producthunt.com/posts/peepeth

s/demonitize/demonetize

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by rkangel » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:56 AM UTC

virgilp wrote: post #49

For me, the biggest roadblock is actually owning ETH. You may thing that's trivial, but I'm not so sure. Apparently 10m people in the world own SOME form of crypto[1] - so, there's your upper bound on number of users. For a mass-market product, 10m is really not that much .... you don't just need "traction", you need traction that is so significant that it pushes up the entire crypto market! I'm skeptical, but who kn…

The counterpoint is that you could look at it like encrypting your messages.

For years, using PGP for email was possible, but only a few people did, because it was clunky and they didn't care enough. The climate changed, but so did technology. WhatsApp now makes E2E message encryption trivial, due to the work they've put in to make it easy for users.

You could argue that if a cryptocurrency based service made the usage of that cryptocurrency sufficiently easy then it wouldn't matter that there hadn't been much adoption up to that point.

To put it another way - the market size for Peepeth isn't "people who already own some form of crypto", it's "people who don't want their messages censored". The use of crypto may be a barrier to entry for some of those people, but it doesn't necessarily have to be.

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by OrganicMSG » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:06 AM UTC

bevan wrote: post #4

fenwick67 wrote: post #2

What do you do when somebody posts death threats or child porn on your immutable social network?

Front-ends like peepeth.com are censorable. Illegal content will be removed from the peepeth.com front-end. I think its criminal appeal is limited compared to alternatives. Use of a known and traceable payment+communications channel reveals more info about the perpetrators and their networks than non-crypto communication channels + crypto payments. Pairing communication and money removes a level of anonymity because…

How do you allow access and editing of any identifying data previously posted, so as to comply with GDPR?

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by icebraining » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 9:10 AM UTC

rhacker wrote: post #42

CharlesW wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Front-ends like peepeth.com are censorable. To make sure I understand, are you saying, "Every client developer has to handle this on their own, if they choose to at all"? > I think its criminal appeal is limited compared to alternatives. […] It seems like you're suggesting that anonymity is not possible with Ethereum, but searches suggests that it's possible now, and will become easier thanks to projects like Proje…

Kindof an interesting legal question - what would make peepeth more liable for such data more-so than etherscan.io for example? If both sites have the feature to hide or prevent download of the data, whereas etherscan may not even bother? It kinda makes you wonder if the Ether wallet itself that can sync and download such data is also at risk of being called illegal. Are FBI raids now going to focus on targeting peop…

Freenet has been around for almost twenty years, it's known to contain illegal content (including CP), and as far as I know its users haven't been systematically raided.

On a different note, Sone - microblogging over Freenet - has been around for quite a while, and it's under active development.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet

https://github.com/Bombe/Sone

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by erispoe » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 10:12 AM UTC

bevan wrote: post #4

fenwick67 wrote: post #2

What do you do when somebody posts death threats or child porn on your immutable social network?

Front-ends like peepeth.com are censorable. Illegal content will be removed from the peepeth.com front-end. I think its criminal appeal is limited compared to alternatives. Use of a known and traceable payment+communications channel reveals more info about the perpetrators and their networks than non-crypto communication channels + crypto payments. Pairing communication and money removes a level of anonymity because…

But this content would still be stored and distributed, even if it's not displayed on public front-ends?

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by stevekemp » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 10:30 AM UTC

virgilp wrote: post #49

For me, the biggest roadblock is actually owning ETH. You may thing that's trivial, but I'm not so sure. Apparently 10m people in the world own SOME form of crypto[1] - so, there's your upper bound on number of users. For a mass-market product, 10m is really not that much .... you don't just need "traction", you need traction that is so significant that it pushes up the entire crypto market! I'm skeptical, but who kn…

Agreed. Not just that but the overview suggests:

* I have to be using Firefox.

* And I have to install a firefox extension.

* And I have to have ETH.

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by briansbum » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 11:00 AM UTC

KirinDave wrote: post #47

bevan wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good question. With Mastodon, there is no central data store. So if your chosen front-end goes down (which hosts your content), you're out of luck. I think they're working on that problem though.

Alternatively: Mastodon lets you run your own node on your own hardware, have it exist as an equal peer, and if you want to delete your own data you have that option. It's weird to me how the no-retractions thing is a benefit. Seems like a feature deficit. I can't imagine using twitter without the delete function, if only just to delete botched tweets.

It looks like you're able to do a similar thing with their batching method to make using it cheaper. Re-read your peep before it gets pushed to the chain and you'll be able to delete them there.

Re: Peepeth: Unstoppable Microblogging

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Post by decentralised » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 11:37 AM UTC

virgilp wrote: post #49

For me, the biggest roadblock is actually owning ETH. You may thing that's trivial, but I'm not so sure. Apparently 10m people in the world own SOME form of crypto[1] - so, there's your upper bound on number of users. For a mass-market product, 10m is really not that much .... you don't just need "traction", you need traction that is so significant that it pushes up the entire crypto market! I'm skeptical, but who kn…

Web3 applications will require users to have tokens so they can interact with the DApp, so either a network token like Ether or a utility token like BAT is needed. The tradeoff is that your data isn't mined and sold for advertisers and your content can't be demonetised or otherwise censored by the platform. In the context of social media, I believe the cost will serve as deterrent to trolling and harassment.

For all the hurrah about Facebook and privacy, it will be interesting to see if users really do care enough about their rights to free speech and privacy to switch platforms and put some of their own resources into making better solutions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERuSGa4UPow