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How do I become a self-sufficient old man in a shack?

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Re: How do I become a self-sufficient old man in a shack?

#71
People laugh when I tell them that my dream job is to tend a lighthouse (which are all largely automated now), but it's for reasons very similar to what you've outlined here: lots of free time for me to read and study what I'm interested in. So another possible solution is to identify a job that's based predominantly on the criteria of having a human present. A fire lookout comes to mind. The one hour of work/day would probably need relaxed to two to three hours per day, but you'd also be supplied room & board. The Internet access might be possible via cell technology.

Please let us know how this works out for you.

Re: How do I become a self-sufficient old man in a shack?

#72
Bad news for you buddy:

There is no escaping the system. :)

A relative escape may be possible, but definitely not an absolute and complete escape from 'all' systems.

You go live in a jungle, you have to adapt yourself to the 'system' there.

You may be able to escape the laws of a more civilized country by living with some tribes in Papua New Gunea or the Amazon, but you would have to start living by their laws (formal or informal).

Re: How do I become a self-sufficient old man in a shack?

#73
I did this, years ago:

http://www.atariarchives.org/deli/cottage_computer_programmi...

I started this phase out wanting to be left alone and live on $40/month, but reality interfered and it turned out to be a way to completely change my life.

I think it can still be done. There is a steep learning curve.

Re: How do I become a self-sufficient old man in a shack?

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I have to sleep somewhere that is legal and that doesn't annoy people, and also to not be dependent on others. This means no panhandling, etc.

You just recalled me of a documentary that showed chinese (IIRC) folks sleeping in LAN houses because it was the cheapest thing for them. A nice idea I must say.

Probably Japanese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_cafe_refugee

Re: How do I become a self-sufficient old man in a shack?

#75
Go to India/China/anywhere. A change in culture can be refreshing and living there is really cheap. English is the second official language in India, so there shouldn't be a barrier. I also heard that the people are really really friendly (USA/Europe seem a bit resentful to foreigners).

Re: How do I become a self-sufficient old man in a shack?

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If you are willing to live on rice it's about $200 a year for 2000 kcal per day. This is at supermarket prices, if you were willing to buy by the tonne I'm sure it's much less, just buy a futures contract and bring your truck to the delivery point.

I don't know what the long-term health effects of it would be, but I have it on good authority that dry dog food is capable of sustaining human life, if eaten as a "breakfast cereal" with powder-based milk. Supposedly the cheapest stuff tastes best, since it doesn't have the flavoring or meat byproducts in it that dogs find palatable. It's basically just raw carbohydrates, fat, and protein; I think corn and soy based…

As a kid I often ate both wet and dry dog food, it's basically tasteless if, as you say, it's not the premium brands. I'd go with the dry stuff if I had to do it again.

The premium bands seems to want to make it smell acceptable to humans but it just tastes horrible. I suspect it's the smell that makes it taste so bad.

BTW I didn't need to eat the dog food, I just did it. I also ate quite a lot of mud from the back garden. I had a great childhood :)

Re: How do I become a self-sufficient old man in a shack?

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I did this, years ago: http://www.atariarchives.org/deli/cottage_computer_programmi... I started this phase out wanting to be left alone and live on $40/month, but reality interfered and it turned out to be a way to completely change my life. I think it can still be done. There is a steep learning curve.

Welcome, cool to have you! Did you know you've been featured here? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=905377

If you don't mind, I wanted to ask you: did you own the land for your shack, or rent it? The latter is cheaper, but not independent. I recall Thoreau didn't own his shack.

Re: How do I become a self-sufficient old man in a shack?

#78
I also have aspirations of independence and have concluded that "getting rich" is not The Answer. Some things that are working for me:

For health reasons, I have given up all furniture. I sleep on the floor with zero bedding. I had to get healthier in order to be able to do that. Being cold was really about being sick. It was a gradual process of using less bedding, getting healthier, and generally changing our lifestyle to need fewer things to meet our basic needs.

I have a netbook and a small folding shelf it sits on to keep it off the floor. The little shelf has folding legs, so I can change its position. I also have a prepaid cell phone as the cheapest phone access and have cancelled my landline. No furniture means less housework. It also means fewer bugs in the house. When we first moved to this apartment, there were a lot of bugs. I thought it was just that without furniture they were visible. Over time, with getting healthier and getting the apartment cleaner and reducing our possessions further, we have fewer bugs.

At the moment, we own one deep frying pan. We cook a lot from scratch, but they are simple one dish meals. The medical condition I and my oldest son have is high maintenance. So rearranging our lives so we have less to do in terms of cooking, cleaning, etc is essential in order for us to be healthy and still have time and energy to get a life (which we are basically working on now, after having spent about a decade working on getting well).

We live without a car. That substantially cut our expenses and has turned out to not be as challenging as I expected. Since we don't own furniture, we don't need to haul that much crap home. We regularly buy food and clothes (because clothes gets thrown out routinely around here....long story) and we bought a netbook earlier this summer. But I just don't need the kind of hauling capacity I needed when I lived more conventionally.

I have internet access via my netbook and could also have it via cellphone if I wanted it. I guess the internet access my cell phone would offer would be more limited. I'm reasonably content with the situation at the moment, though there are three people sharing one netbook and the plan is to buy one or two more netbooks when there is money for that and eventually add some (probably handheld) gaming systems.

Anyway, that's all that comes to mind at the moment. Just start reducing your needs now. Have a yard sale. Start living with less stuff. Step by step, you can move towards this and as you make changes it will make other changes possible that you wouldn't have imagined.

Good luck.

Re: How do I become a self-sufficient old man in a shack?

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Okay, I understand better now. Why not do a kind of work you find really enjoyable, and sell/trade that work with people whose company you enjoy? This is generally my philosophy to entrepreneurship anyways - there's a bit of involuntary time involved (taxes, accounting, errands), but I think you could get it down to less than one hour per day. If you didn't care about having extremely nice material comforts/status sy…

Yes, this all stems from realizing the only reason i want to "get rich" is basically so i can live the life described. I want to do only the things that i want to do all the time. And the things that i want to do are extremely simple. But i am willing to give up some time to do other things. Yes, I would consider trading and selling involuntary activities. The only voluntary activities are reading, writing, thinking,…

If you've figured out a way to make eating and shitting voluntary, you should just write about that. The sales will be enough to ensure you never have to work again.

Re: How do I become a self-sufficient old man in a shack?

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More parameters are needed, in my opinion. What you want is possible, but not with only $10k. That, or give up some requirements (internet, unless you want to walk to a public library) and be prepared to squat on someone else's property. I live close to your desired existence. I own my humble hermit's cabin outright, have no debt at all, and a few grand in savings. I grow some of my own food, hunt some more, but I st…

Are you in the US? Which state?

Utah.
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