"The reason the other families aren't on TV are because their loved ones are still alive." Wow, this sounds like a horrible, tasteless burn to end the statement with. And I am a Tesla fan.
And where exactly does it say that?
Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for deadly crash
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Re: Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for deadly crash
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which is why pilots are still in control of the plane while autopilot is active. Even while active, there is still a "pilot flying" and pilots are still responsible for scanning gauges and readouts and verifying the autopilot is doing what they expect. They do not just turn on autopilot and goof off
Just like Tesla's auto pilot? Drivers are supposed to be "flying", scanning gauges and the road ahead to ensure the autopilot is doing what they expect... I think people that say that "autopilot" is a bad name for this feature don't really understand what an "autopilot" does.
And Tesla is relying on Joe Sixpack's Hollywood understanding of autopilot functionality. They're very well aware of that.
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#203Insurance rates will probably go up on "self-crashing cars" if this trend continues. For some reason, people aren't dying so dramatically due to cruise control. I love cruise control, because it helps me focus on "driving" (which I consider steering + observing). The Tesla autopilot feature seems to do the opposite: it helps you focus on not driving . This ain't Volvo, folks.
Cruise control DOES cause deaths: http://www.indianainjury.com/trucking-accident-verdict-leads... ...but it's not Tesla, so a single death isn't plastered over every news site and discussed ad nauseum by tech sites. EDIT: More cruise control deaths: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/24/skoda-drive... https://www.levylaw.com/cruise-control-accidents-defective-p... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5645195/m1-m…
Even I, a non-CDL driver who never learned how to use a manual transmission, know when cruise control is appropriate: only under good conditions with daylight when there are no other cars around.
Re: Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for deadly crash
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think they're trying to hammer home the point that autopilot is very much not level 5 self-driving. The media is constantly referring to "self-driving" Teslas, so of course it's easy for members of the public to get confused, but this is very different from e.g. the Uber self-driving fatality that occurred recently, where the car was supposed to be able to drive 100% autonomously. Tesla is extremely clear that thes…
> Tesla is extremely clear Oct'16 video on https://www.tesla.com/autopilot says Driver is only there for legal reasons https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/823632597284691969 " Yes, safety should improve significantly due to autonomy features, even if regs disallow no driver present 23 Jan 2017"
This isn't footage of Autopilot. It's a development build of Full Self-Driving.
Re: Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for deadly crash
#205I think a good litmus test in this situation is "will this end up in an engineering ethics textbook in 10 years?" Unfortunately, Tesla seems to be taking the Ford Pinto route here. "It's only dangerous if you aren't paying full attention 100% of the time" doesn't sound too far off from "it's only dangerous if you get in a rear-end collision."
Driving with autopilot sounds like being a driving instructor with your own set of controls: you have to be ready to react at less than a moment's notice, yet feel comfortable to hand off controls most of the time. Most people are not trained driving instructors, so I can't see how autopilot is not inherently unsafe.
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#206They should probably take a page from Waze and allow drivers to report areas where autopilot doesn't function properly. Fleet learning but not crowd sourcing?
They technically do, in a Tesla you can report a bug using your voice while you are driving. Now, I don't know if/how they act on the bug reports.
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#207Tesla probably shouldn't be saying anything about this at all, even just to avoid giving it more news cycles. But if they were going to say something, here's what they should have said the first time. ---- We take great care in building our cars to save lives. Forty thousands Americans die on the roads each year. That's a statistic. But even a single death of a Tesla driver or passenger is a tragedy. This has affecte…
>t's a tool to help attentive drivers avoid accidents that might have otherwise occurred. This needs far more discussion. I just don't buy it. I don't believe that you can have a car engaged in auto-drive mode and remain attentive. I think our psychology won't allow it. When driving, I find that I must be engaged and on long trips I don't even enable cruise control because taking the accelerator input away from me is…
I think our psychology has been manipulated such that we ignore 1 million deaths a year by humans and don’t at all take seriously halting car sales
But it hasn’t happened to me! says a rando not dealing with the death of a loved on or financial difficulty
Gotta ship!
Re: Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for deadly crash
#208Tesla probably shouldn't be saying anything about this at all, even just to avoid giving it more news cycles. But if they were going to say something, here's what they should have said the first time. ---- We take great care in building our cars to save lives. Forty thousands Americans die on the roads each year. That's a statistic. But even a single death of a Tesla driver or passenger is a tragedy. This has affecte…
I personally like your style and tone. At a glance I would only replace his first name with Mr. to increase respect and depersonalize it.
I think it’d be a tough sell to get the blessing of Tesla’s legal team. Given Musk’s position he could override that of course, but it could still reduce the likelyhood of it going out.
Overall as much as I prefer it, I think most companies wouldn’t release something this direct and honest. Although that’s changing at some companies as they find that the goodwill built through lack of bullshit can sometimes outweigh distasteful liability defense techniques.
Re: Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for deadly crash
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
>t's a tool to help attentive drivers avoid accidents that might have otherwise occurred. This needs far more discussion. I just don't buy it. I don't believe that you can have a car engaged in auto-drive mode and remain attentive. I think our psychology won't allow it. When driving, I find that I must be engaged and on long trips I don't even enable cruise control because taking the accelerator input away from me is…
This same thing can be said of auto-pilot in planes. Not saying it invalidates your argument, just that there are pretty wide-reaching consequences to that idea.
Planes don't suddenly crash into a mountain because you have looked away for two seconds, there is much more time to react in case the autopilot doesn't behave correctly.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Tesla was shipping a Level 3 system, your analysis would be great. But they aren't. They're shipping a Level 2 system where you're reminded each time that you enable it that you've got to remain alert. And which dings at you if you don't keep your hands on the steering wheel.
This is irrelevant. Before his death, Tesla told the driver that there was no issue with the autopilot feature. This likely contributed to his continued use of the feature. That feature, because of the same issue (which Tesla denied existed) killed him. And now Tesla is saying that there is an issue, and that it's his fault for using the system. Whether or not it's a full self-driving mode, or if it's an assisted aut…
> the man died because of that issue
Tesla would argue that the proximate cause was that the driver was not paying attention.
> And now Tesla is saying that there is an issue, and that it's his fault for using the system.
Tesla is not saying that it's his fault for using the system. They are saying it is not Tesla's fault if the driver wasn't paying attention, despite being presented with repeated warnings closely preceding the impact.