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Re: Ask HN: What happened to the semantic web?

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In a way Freebase and DBpedia were/are practical applications of the concept. Now when you search on Google they try to understand a simple query and send you the answer. In Freebase you could write queries about facts retrieved from many sources.

The utopia is more than this but I assume that few people will used these tools directly.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to the semantic web?

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post #34

1. We've realized that people in general can't reliably and consistently mark data up. That's a problem of incentives, technical difficulties, UI, bitrot of invisible metadata, etc. 2. We've settled on extracting information from "raw" text (with everything from regexes to recognize flight info in e-mails to getting word statistics from terabytes of garbage) and duct-taping that with special-purpose APIs.

>That's a problem of incentives, technical difficulties, UI, bitrot of invisible metadata, etc

Perception, culture, linguistics, time, reality.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to the semantic web?

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I spent 2 years using a semantic reasoner to develop an ontology for reasoning about smartgrid vulnerabilities. Ignoring the web aspect, ontologies are very hard. In addition, one needs to use multiple languages like one to express the ontology, and another to express a query. Change the ontology a little bit and the query will break when you run it. There was no integrated IDE that was complete.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to the semantic web?

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post #25

I think the main issue is that even though "knowledge representation" with ontologies is an enticing goal, it's simply a fact that real entities, as used by humans at a practical level, don't map neatly onto mathematically-sound hierarchies.. . To see this, just look at the arguments the ancient Greeks already had as to whether a human is a "two-legged featherless animal" or the endless online arguments as to whether…

> don't map neatly onto mathematically-sound hierarchies. I think they do, but finding the right mathematical model is very difficult. If it were easy, everyone would be a mathematics PhD. Learning to program is becoming efficient at recognizing the right spherical cow in any given situation, because such shortcuts are essential to getting shit done.

Are viruses alive?

(To pick one question where something doesn't map onto a hierarchy simply)

Re: Ask HN: What happened to the semantic web?

#49
Long ago I wrote a blog post as an introduction with an identical title: https://joelkuiper.eu/semantic-web

At our company we still use Semantic Web (or rather, RDF) for inference and annotation with medical ontologies (UMLS, Gene Ontology, Human Phenotype Ontology, etc). The ease of use of triples + SPARQL (basically a PROLOG-ish unification scheme) is really powerful (and quite performant when using Jena/Fuseki with Lucene as a text index). But it's a far cry from the "dream" of semantic web like federated queries and OpenAnnotations (now just W3C Annotations). Still, every time someone implements an EAV scheme without even considering an RDF triple store I cringe a bit.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to the semantic web?

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post #33

It was the sort of largely academic tops-down exercise to organizing information that has mostly lost out time and time again to more organic bottoms-up/self-organizing approaches. Think Yahoo vs. Google. [ADDED: i.e. manually populating hierarchies vs. search, in case that wasn't clear] I remember when it was going to be Web 3.0. Tim Berners-Lee gave a talk about it when he won the Draper prize. As others have said,…

I think there's a lot in this. The first users of the Internet saw themselves as librarians and curators, and sought to impose that vision of the world on everyone else. For a long time, people had trouble with the idea that everything didn't need to link to everything else.
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