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Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages
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Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your moral compass need to be checked.
And when I’m done doing that, I should probably check my sanity, because I have to be imagining this thread. It’s absurd that someone thinks that they have an expectation of privacy when they voluntarily choose to send a message to someone else. I know you can’t satisfy everyone all the people all the time, but this idea is just bonkers.
People with moral compass (and possibility sanity) such as yours pretty much show that self regulation is poised to fail and support the need for broad legislation.
Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
He accepted blame for quite a bit, and apologized (as he usually does) The part I don't understand about all of this is that, yes somewhere along the line someone made the decision that giving developers access to that data was ok...but they REMOVED access to it as soon as they realized what sharing that data meant. That's how startups are trained to behave, shoot first ask questions later. They made a mistake and co…
> they REMOVED access to it as soon as they realized what sharing that data meant. Did that unleak the data? No. It was a mistake, but it required a cleanup which wasn't achieved and wasn't made public. Ed Felten coined the phrase "Exxon Valdez of privacy" over a decade ago in anticipation of this: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2006/06/12/exxon-valdez-privac...
Wow, that's an amazingly prescient post.
Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
And when I’m done doing that, I should probably check my sanity, because I have to be imagining this thread. It’s absurd that someone thinks that they have an expectation of privacy when they voluntarily choose to send a message to someone else. I know you can’t satisfy everyone all the people all the time, but this idea is just bonkers.
People with moral compass (and possibility sanity) such as yours pretty much show that self regulation is poised to fail and support the need for broad legislation.
Moral compass or not, that is the current state of the law. Sending an email to a second party and then expecting them not to do whatever they want with it is as naive as hanging a billboard and expecting nobody to look at it when I don't want them to.
The world doesn't just give you privacy. If you want any, you have to work at least a little bit for it.
Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages
#125Why is it surprising or even remotely controversial that an app that people explicitly authorized to access their messages (informed consent) then proceeded to access their messages? The app didn't have access to friends' messages, so I don't see what the issue is here, other than yet another clickbait headline.
Because in the public if you mentioned the possibility you'd be accused of fearmongering.
It is disheartening to see people label it clickbait, this is a very important message that needs to be embedded in the public.
Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages
#126A neutral discussion on surveillance and adtech cannot happen here because of the makeup of the audience.
It's undeniable too many people from the SV tech community are deeply vested in the business either as workers of Google, Facebook or part of the large multi billion dollar ad ecosystem.
The fact is tech people made pompous claims about liberty and freedom and then sold out the moment they had personal gain. This is not their fault, the history of ethical posturing consistently plays out this way and capitalism incentives leaves little room for ethics making regulation the only workable option.
The default reaction is thus to minimize accountability, blame others, apologism, hand waving or deny the issue altogether. Every discussion gets mired in the same basic first principles of freedom and privacy.
If you can't behave ethically you have no basis to expect ethical behavior from others, or for an ethical society. You make the bed, you lie in it.
Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they REMOVED access to it as soon as they realized what sharing that data meant. Did that unleak the data? No. It was a mistake, but it required a cleanup which wasn't achieved and wasn't made public. Ed Felten coined the phrase "Exxon Valdez of privacy" over a decade ago in anticipation of this: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2006/06/12/exxon-valdez-privac...
Wow, that's an amazingly prescient post.
I'd suggest that people popularize the phrase "Exxon Valdez of Privacy" but that may be old enough that people have forgotten it. Maybe substitute "Deepwater Horizon" or "Fukushima".
If you want even more prescient, go back fifteen years to see him post a link to https://www.wired.com/2003/01/google-10/
"The company's growth spurt has spawned a host of daunting questions that no data-retrieval system can easily answer. Should Google play ball with repressive foreign governments? Refuse to link users to "hate" sites? Punish marketers who artificially inflate site rankings? Fight the Church of Scientology's attempts to silence critics? And what to do about the cache, Google's archive of previously indexed pages? "
Whenever a colossal disaster happens, there is nearly always someone who was telling anyone who would listen what the problem was years in advance.
Felten is not as famous as Schneier but just as important, and has been doing lots of important work such as fighting against electronic voting systems.
Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
People with moral compass (and possibility sanity) such as yours pretty much show that self regulation is poised to fail and support the need for broad legislation.
Moral compass or not, that is the current state of the law. Sending an email to a second party and then expecting them not to do whatever they want with it is as naive as hanging a billboard and expecting nobody to look at it when I don't want them to. The world doesn't just give you privacy. If you want any, you have to work at least a little bit for it.
That might be the state of the law for you, but most of us don't live in the US.
Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages
#129Unfortunately for startups, I think that the only solution is to make it too expensive and complicated for the businesses to collect any unnecessary data. Like dealing with credit cards, no devs in their right mind would want to process CCs by themselves because it's such a huge risk and pain in the ass to be fully PCI compliant. We all outsource that part of the work to 3rd party processors because of the regulations. Why not do the same for the personal data, make it a very high risk for the business to process it directly and the majority will avoid dealing with anything that is not absolutely needed by their business model.
Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
By granting access to your messages, they are also implicitly gaining access to your friend's messages with you. All people should have an expectation of privacy that when they send a private message to someone, that someone does not have the right to disclose the conversation.
So you would also like to impose a ban on email forwarding then right? Because that means the person who received your message took it, and exposed it to others that you didn't authorize. I can tell you that at least in the US, legally, your position doesn't hold water. We're getting a little ridiculous here. There are valid complaints against Facebook in all of this - this just doesn't happen to be one of them.
> So you would also like to impose a ban on email forwarding then right?
No. I would impose a ban on selling our conversations for money or for services.
Edit: to clarify, I believe users on Facebook were bartering with data that wasn't theirs for access to Facebook's services.