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Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook hearing was a sham

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook hearing was a sham

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I was struck that on the surface it looked quite adversarial. Senators were trying to ask fairly pointed questions (despite any technical ignorance). But underneath the surface, the two parties here have fairly well aligned goals -- less freedom on the Internet. The senators want to show that they're doing something, and Facebook welcomes regulation in order to suffocate would-be competitors with it. I'm sure they're…

Not sure what your definition of free internet is, but mine is one where the users are free, not the businesses.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook hearing was a sham

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If a person logs out of Facebook, and Facebook continues to track them anyway, then that’s clearly violating consent, and there was a meeting where someone said “we need a way to track people who explicitly do not want to be tracked” and everyone in the room nodded.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook hearing was a sham

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i guess it's about time, all state level elected bodies, should dedicate 5-10% seats ... at least ... on an extremely specialised profession basis, such as software, medical etc ... look most of these guys are lawyers by profession that's massively over represented in all houses everywhere .... why just we can't ....

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook hearing was a sham

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I believe writers from the Guardian would sooner hand over control of the United States to the EU rather than try to understand why the US does things differently; but I think this question bears repeating: ethically, what has Facebook done wrong? Understanding the full context of this hearing is vital to your opinion on the matter. I'm nobody with an outsider's perspective, but to me Facebook has made very few error…

You cannot teach people to not speed on road or drive under influence. Or at least not everybody. I have a really hard time to believe that people will be able to internalize the risk or bad consequence of social media in the next decade of their life. Yes, in an enlightened world that would be the best solution but can we afford to run the test ?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook hearing was a sham

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post #11

I was struck that on the surface it looked quite adversarial. Senators were trying to ask fairly pointed questions (despite any technical ignorance). But underneath the surface, the two parties here have fairly well aligned goals -- less freedom on the Internet. The senators want to show that they're doing something, and Facebook welcomes regulation in order to suffocate would-be competitors with it. I'm sure they're…

Not sure what your definition of free internet is, but mine is one where the users are free, not the businesses.

Those two things are positively correlated

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook hearing was a sham

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I believe writers from the Guardian would sooner hand over control of the United States to the EU rather than try to understand why the US does things differently; but I think this question bears repeating: ethically, what has Facebook done wrong? Understanding the full context of this hearing is vital to your opinion on the matter. I'm nobody with an outsider's perspective, but to me Facebook has made very few error…

> I believe writers from the Guardian would sooner hand over control of the United States to the EU rather than try to understand why the US does things differently

"Zephyr Teachout is an American academic, political activist, and former political candidate."

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook hearing was a sham

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post #10

I believe writers from the Guardian would sooner hand over control of the United States to the EU rather than try to understand why the US does things differently; but I think this question bears repeating: ethically, what has Facebook done wrong? Understanding the full context of this hearing is vital to your opinion on the matter. I'm nobody with an outsider's perspective, but to me Facebook has made very few error…

When you signed up for Facebook, was there a screen that said, "Facebook will take all the information you provide, regardless of format or intent, and monetize it as much as possible, as well as share it with government agencies"? You knew this going in. Many people know this and don't have Facebook account. A lot of people did not know this and are just finding out -- that's where the "outrage" comes out. (A fourth…

What part of "Private Message" do you not understand. These data rapers were stealing peoples "Private Messages"

The term "Private Message" is not complicated. They stole peoples data straight up. Data thieves. What they do is hide behind these screens you defend. Written by scumbag lawyers to not be understood or clear.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook hearing was a sham

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post #11

I was struck that on the surface it looked quite adversarial. Senators were trying to ask fairly pointed questions (despite any technical ignorance). But underneath the surface, the two parties here have fairly well aligned goals -- less freedom on the Internet. The senators want to show that they're doing something, and Facebook welcomes regulation in order to suffocate would-be competitors with it. I'm sure they're…

Not sure what your definition of free internet is, but mine is one where the users are free, not the businesses.

Since when are businesses not users of the internet?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook hearing was a sham

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Another needlessly strident and self-righteous article from The Guardian, that says one useful thing (the hearing is too short), followed by paragraphs of "and they are allowing this Zuck guy to SPEAK at a HEARING can you BELIEVE this? iamoutragediamoutraged."

There are so many important points to cover on this topic for a mass readership to whom most of this is new (as in: a new threat they often don't quite yet understand), such as Fakgbook merely being the current symptom and Russia/CA the current user. This has happened before and will happen again. People on a global scale need to be made familiar with key synonyms when discussing this, such as "personal data" = "private property", and "privacy" = "security", so as to put the issue in perspective, allowing for a saner debate while avoiding the stale sophistry and astroturfing that always come up (i.e. if you replace "privacy" with "security" it becomes harder for them to throw around disingenuous soviet-style phrases like "well you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide"). Any newspaper that takes the "duty to inform" seriously would spend more time on exploring the subject properly, instead of publishing this self-serving filler. It's not like there are going to be an infinite number of opening to cover this issue. This is precisely the kind of moment and topic where the media are expected to come up with informative analysis, and yet they fail to rise to the occasion.

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