Facebook Can’t Be Fixed, It Needs to Be Broken Up

Post by hailk » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 7:19 AM UTC

tyingq wrote: post #63

thejerz wrote: post #53

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> but there isn't really a way for me to leave. You speak as if you have no agency in the situation. But, you do have agency. Using, or not using, facebook is 100%, entirely your choice . There was a happy (happier?) world before 2005, where families shared photos and stayed in touch, without Mark Zuckerberg.

Yes, I have the agency to lose touch with people I care about, because it's not practical for me to convince them all to use a different medium. It is the FB moat. It's real.

Post by hailk » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 7:32 AM UTC

colinjoy wrote: post #83

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How do they profile non-members or even people who've either deactivated their accounts or aren't using them? If I don't log in how does invites affect me? All they could possibly have is my phone number and email. Which aren't exactly private information anyway.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/firm-facebooks-shadow-profiles... Note they‘ve been doing this for a long time (the article is from 2013).

Post by Moru » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 8:23 AM UTC

vezycash wrote: post #81

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Regarding [1], it is possible to opt out of facebook: don't visit websites with Facebook like/share buttons. (This website, for example). When you access a website with facebook tracking installed, you are consenting to being tracked.

>don't VISIT websites with Facebook like/share buttons. So people should know a site uses Facebook share buttons before opening it through Google search. Then, they should keep closing pages until they find the one that don't have share buttons. Then, memorize a list of "safe sites?"

Post by Moru » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 8:28 AM UTC

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doomlaser wrote: post #72

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Using the legislative branch to break apart a competitive business into smaller disconnected pieces isn't a failure from internal crisis / overleverage. > why would that cede leadership to Chinese companies? It cedes leadership because the Chinese companies, modeled after the un-splintered US platforms, have more resources, capability to undertake coordinated action, and can take advantage of greater network effects.

There would be consequences, but I doubt they would be that major. Facebook hasn't really contributed anything of value, other than a platform for people to get tracked mercilessly. FB's business model is based on advertising, and advertising is poison to the mind. But I do think the best solution is very strict privacy regulation, similar to GDPR. The so-called free market has failed to manifest a good solution to p…

Post by zaarn » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:46 AM UTC

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I did not consent to being tracked by facebook. Yet websites try again and again to load the facebook like button. As per GDPR, which is in effect but not enforced until May, tracking me without explicitly and clearly asking me if that is okay is not allowed and anything else, like withdrawing service until I agree to be tracked, does not construct consent. When I visit a new website I do not know if they have facebo…

> Yet websites try again and again to load the facebook like button. Take that up with the websites, not Facebook. Vast numbers of websites use Google Web Fonts which enables Google to track users. I didn't opt in to that so I just block it.