Sex workers fear violence as US cracks down on online ads: 'Girls will die'

Post by nfoz » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 4:03 AM UTC

skookumchuck wrote: post #197

nfoz wrote: post #89

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"has never worked"? Sounds like you're setting a hard metric. I'm pretty sure that changing laws does have some influence on the social norms and culture around some of these items, and their level of consumption. The propents of some of these rules might call it a success even if it just changes behaviours or attitudes about them.

Feel free to post an example of any society, now or historical, that has managed to suppress any of these activities into inconsequence by making them illegal.

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:01 AM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #63

ihsw2 wrote: post #50

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Prostitution trivializes sex by converting it to an activity fueled by capitalist incentives, forcing women to transfer control to her client rather than keeping it in her individual control. It is definitely different in that consent is removed by economic force rather than physical force.

Why do we take sex so seriously? What's wrong with trivializing it? We don't make a big deal about kissing, or playing golf? Animals often fuck without consent (although most other mammals have mating sessions that last less than 15 seconds). There is a really interesting dynamic in humans where we have either evolved or socially constructed (or both) this very strong sense of importance (and also shame) around sex.…

Post by dwaltrip » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:10 AM UTC

skookumchuck wrote: post #197

nfoz wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"has never worked"? Sounds like you're setting a hard metric. I'm pretty sure that changing laws does have some influence on the social norms and culture around some of these items, and their level of consumption. The propents of some of these rules might call it a success even if it just changes behaviours or attitudes about them.

Feel free to post an example of any society, now or historical, that has managed to suppress any of these activities into inconsequence by making them illegal.

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:27 AM UTC

coenhyde wrote: post #23

ihsw2 wrote: post #11

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Prostitution is abhorrent to the women's rights movement -- it is another tool of oppression. Women are having sex with men whom they otherwise wouldn't have sex with -- we should be removing the need for sex work rather than accommodating it. Sex "for survival," child prostitution, sex trafficking -- none of these go away when the stigma and illegality are removed and if anything it gets worse because clients just a…

Ah no. If you listen to the sex workers who are generally WOMEN they advocate for legalizing and regulating sex work. Because they want a safe environment to work in. By making sex work illegal you are preventing people in the industry from going to the authorities to report all the things you are against. You will never stop prostitution by saying it is illegal, all you are doing is allowing the criminal elements to…

Post by lancewiggs » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 7:36 AM UTC

dwaltrip wrote: post #215

skookumchuck wrote: post #197

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Feel free to post an example of any society, now or historical, that has managed to suppress any of these activities into inconsequence by making them illegal.

Are you kidding me? Almost all of those activities are restricted to significant, meaningful degrees in the U.S. Or have been in the past (e.g. homosexuality). I think only adultery stands out as not. Regulation doesn't need to "suppress an activity into inconsequence" to be useful. There are many ways regulation can beneficially impact activity in between the extremes. The vast majority of regulation does this. The…