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We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by pbiggar »

gnulinux wrote: post #109
temuze wrote: post #62

> We’re creating a new programming language, tightly integrated with an editor, compiler and PaaS, to allow engineers to build distributed applications using high-level primitives. Not sure if this is ambitious enough. Maybe you should make a database, too :) But seriously, you'd have to convince me of a lot of things before I consider using a service like this, much less basing a business off of it: 1) The bar for y…

Also, sorry but I'll (probably) never use anything other than emacs. I already invested ~10 years of customization. Most people did the same for other editors, IDEs etc. Its way too ambitious to make your own editor for a programming language. No project uses just one language. I'm not going to use emacs for 3 other languages and your app for one other. If your language is way too good, I'll try port an emacs mode an…

Emacs is great - I used Paredit for years, and really learned to love the REPL in emacs. Actually, I still use Magit every day!

I know there are many many people who have deeply invested in their environments, whether it's an editor, language, framework, etc. And there are also millions who haven't, and are looking for the tool that speaks to them like Emacs did to you.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by moltar »

temuze wrote: post #62

> We’re creating a new programming language, tightly integrated with an editor, compiler and PaaS, to allow engineers to build distributed applications using high-level primitives. Not sure if this is ambitious enough. Maybe you should make a database, too :) But seriously, you'd have to convince me of a lot of things before I consider using a service like this, much less basing a business off of it: 1) The bar for y…

CoffeeScript comes to mind ;)

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by chasedehan »

pbiggar wrote: post #81
temuze wrote: post #62

> We’re creating a new programming language, tightly integrated with an editor, compiler and PaaS, to allow engineers to build distributed applications using high-level primitives. Not sure if this is ambitious enough. Maybe you should make a database, too :) But seriously, you'd have to convince me of a lot of things before I consider using a service like this, much less basing a business off of it: 1) The bar for y…

1,2) Yes, agreed. 3) You're totally right: we're concerned about this and have been thinking about it a lot. Obviously, vendor lock-in is a disadvantage for us because it will hurt adoption, so we'd definitely prefer this wasn't the case. 4) Bear in mind that the editor only targets Dark, including our infrastructure component, APIs, and language. So this is substantially less work than say, building vim or Atom. 5)…

Why don't you just build on top of Atom? Like Julia did with Juno.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by aylmao »

throwawayjava wrote: post #85
aylmao wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair comment, thought something similar when I first read this, but ML falls into its own category IMO because it's not part of the "application" most of the time. It's back-end in that it's not front-end, but it's not what you'd normally consider the back-end of an app. A model is built offline, experimented upon, tested, and then once ready "connected" to the main app. Like, the TensorFlow code you write doesn't "n…

> It's the output model that eventually makes it into the back-end ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Yes, the model itself is part of the backend, not the code used to generate the model. But the website explicitly mentions "machine-learning __models__ " as an example of something that's "not backend". > Back-end has always meant the CRUD/API portions of a CRUD app. This is not true. Compilers have backends. Speech processing pipelines hav…

People have back-ends. Of course I know "back-end" is very broad, I just thought we were in the same page here, talking about a web back-ends, that is all.

Under that broad definition of the term, sure, go ahead and rant.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by rapsey »

CamTin wrote: post #90
rapsey wrote: post #80

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No I think locking yourself into financial servitude to some entity is just about the dumbest thing you can do. If you fail you wasted time getting experience not applicable elsewhere, if you succeed they will bleed you dry.

If you succeed, you have some blood in you, and can work on V2 architecture on some other cloud or in your own cage at a DC. This seems like a good bargain for a business that is validating whether they can make money at all, especially a VC-backed startup that is fine with burning cash to prove a concept. Seems like something in-between totally-infinitely-scalable-and-portable-bulletproof-infra and "fake it with spr…

Or they bleed you so much you don't have the resources to attempt a rewrite.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by zerr »

pbiggar wrote: post #30
stickydink wrote: post #25

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I doubt this is the business model, it's a form of dogfooding.

Exactly! We want lots of feedback and we think this is a mutually beneficial way of doing it.

If you want lots of feedback, I guess you shouldn't limit the pool so drastically.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by rajacombinator »

adamsea wrote: post #91
twodave wrote: post #43

It’s a bold move. I like it, but I’m alarmed at how many people are acting like $3k isn’t worth taking. If I wasn’t solidly anchored on the east coast (Jacksonville, FL) I’d be taking a serious look at this, since it would give me about a 30% better chance at bootstrapping and avoiding taking on funding or other debt to build something cool.

If someone is serious about starting a company, betting the success or failure of that company on an entirely new piece of technology (unless it’s critical for the product) in exchange for $3K/month doesn’t sound compelling.

They won’t get any serious startups but it’s a clever tactic that combines recruiting and getting product feedback.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by nanodano »

Something sounds really suspicious about this offer. How does a company afford to pay people 3k/month without anything in return? They're paying 3k/month just so some people adopt their technology?

This just raises red flags and smells.

There's got to be some catch like they are going to start charging those companies a monthly fee to use their product or license it after they have already committed and it's too late to change.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by [deleted] »

rapsey wrote: post #41
MarkyC4 wrote: post #32

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I went to their homepage to find this blurb: We’re creating a new programming language, tightly integrated with an editor, compiler and PaaS, to allow engineers to build distributed applications using high-level primitives. We abstract away individual machines and low-level distributed systems code to: * Generate and run scalable infrastructure for you. * Use APIs as easily as if they were functions. * Remove the dep…

* forever bind you to our services and charge you any amount of money because you have no choice but to pay. If you fail we will just take your business.

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Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by gremlinsinc »

lilyball wrote: post #27

I get the feeling a lot of people in the comments here didn't actually read the article. If you're complaining that $3k isn't enough to live in SF, you missed the point. Dark isn't trying to pay you a $3k salary. They're not looking to hire someone to build a random app. They're looking for an employee of some other startup to camp out in their office for 3 months and use Dark to build the backend for that startup, a…

I think the offer would be cooler if they were just open to maybe daily meetings via slack, there's no reason that people need to go to an office anymore, and it'd open the whole country to them. I'd totally be interested in something like this, if I lived in SF, but I can't afford the cost of living there, and I like living in Provo, UT.
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