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Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages

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Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages

#41

Why is it surprising or even remotely controversial that an app that people explicitly authorized to access their messages (informed consent) then proceeded to access their messages? The app didn't have access to friends' messages, so I don't see what the issue is here, other than yet another clickbait headline.

Why is it even possible for an app to request your Facebook messages though?

You used to be able to build an alternative client using Facebook's published API.

Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages

#42

Why is it surprising or even remotely controversial that an app that people explicitly authorized to access their messages (informed consent) then proceeded to access their messages? The app didn't have access to friends' messages, so I don't see what the issue is here, other than yet another clickbait headline.

Why is it even possible for an app to request your Facebook messages though?

I didn't think it was. The API docs have always said that the thread endpoint is only available to the developers of the app making the request. It's possible to get the contents of the inbox though.

https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2....

Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages

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post #15

yet Zuckerberg is testifying as I write, denying, dodging the responsibility and questions. I can't believe it, instead of laying down and confessing, he is trying to justify and blame everyone but Facebook.

He accepted blame for quite a bit, and apologized (as he usually does) The part I don't understand about all of this is that, yes somewhere along the line someone made the decision that giving developers access to that data was ok...but they REMOVED access to it as soon as they realized what sharing that data meant. That's how startups are trained to behave, shoot first ask questions later. They made a mistake and co…

>what more is there to ask?

(1) Make an ernest attempt to use ML, algorithms to identify their customers who are using those leaked datasets Facebook negligently exposed and help devalue the data, instead of eagerly selling them targeted advertising services? I don't know if they did this, but it sure seems doubtful.

(2) Quickly and openly disclose the extent of the leaked data

(3) Stop using manipulative and deliberately opaque TOS to enable ever more data collection

I'm not being sarcastic or insincere, this is my honest opinion of that they could have done. I am continually surprised at how many people making $$$ in ad-tech/PII data mining and brokering seem niave to the fact that this type of behavior would inevitably result in exponential growth of user outrage

Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages

#46
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cambridge Analytica didn't pay to access this data. They got users to give it to them for free though Facebook's developer platform.

Thanks for the correction, I thought CA paid for access to the data the test collected.

My understanding is the "quiz app" was more of a phishing scheme to get users to share their Facebook data with Cambridge Analytica (including data that user had access to about their friends).

Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages

#47

Why is it surprising or even remotely controversial that an app that people explicitly authorized to access their messages (informed consent) then proceeded to access their messages? The app didn't have access to friends' messages, so I don't see what the issue is here, other than yet another clickbait headline.

If a friend of yours authorized access to their messages, then the app would have access to your private messages with that friend.

Only in the same way that apps that you authorize to work through Gmail also have access to your emails with other people. I just don’t see an issue here. The messages permission required explicit, separate consent from other permissions. There is not a single user that could argue that they didn’t understand that specific aspect of this app. This story is just a grab at clicks.

Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages

#48

Facebook has already updated the numbers from from 47 million to 80 something million. This is going going to go bigger than Yahoo scale: "all accounts and all data" pretty quickly

The data accessed here was from a smaller unrelated research study. The only thing it has in common with the larger CA leak is that it was done by the same researcher.

The article seems to spin it as being part of the CA study, apart from the small commentary towards the end. Has anyone seen the text of the message FB has shown to the affected 87 million and does it explicitly mention private messages?

Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages

#49
post #45
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He accepted blame for quite a bit, and apologized (as he usually does) The part I don't understand about all of this is that, yes somewhere along the line someone made the decision that giving developers access to that data was ok...but they REMOVED access to it as soon as they realized what sharing that data meant. That's how startups are trained to behave, shoot first ask questions later. They made a mistake and co…

>what more is there to ask? (1) Make an ernest attempt to use ML, algorithms to identify their customers who are using those leaked datasets Facebook negligently exposed and help devalue the data, instead of eagerly selling them targeted advertising services? I don't know if they did this, but it sure seems doubtful. (2) Quickly and openly disclose the extent of the leaked data (3) Stop using manipulative and deliber…

> (1) Make an ernest attempt to use ML, algorithms to identify their customers who are using those leaked datasets Facebook negligently exposed and help devalue the data, instead of eagerly selling them targeted advertising services? I don't know if they did this, but it sure seems doubtful.

How could they do that? The cat is out of the bag and FB aren't going to have any knowledge about where that data is now. Have there been reports of it getting out from CA?

> (2) Quickly and openly disclose the extent of the leaked data

I think some caution is a good idea, they don't want to get the numbers wrong - although they are making steps in the right direction with the message to 87 million on their news feeds.

Re: Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Messages

#50

Why is it surprising or even remotely controversial that an app that people explicitly authorized to access their messages (informed consent) then proceeded to access their messages? The app didn't have access to friends' messages, so I don't see what the issue is here, other than yet another clickbait headline.

Why is it even possible for an app to request your Facebook messages though?

I could imagine interesting apps designed to riff on your launguage patterns
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