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Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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Post by mercer »

ezekg wrote: post #159
_bxg1 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Senator: "If I email someone over WhatsApp about Black Panther, will I see ads about Black Panther?" Zuckerberg: "WhatsApp messages are fully encrypted." S: "But can it spit out some algorithmic thing that will affect ads?" Z: "Facebook's systems don't see the content of your messages." S: "But could they talk to each other , even if no human ever sees the content?"

This question (like many others) was frustrating, because it was worded in such a way that was incredibly easy for Zuck to dodge. Of course FB isn't using your encrypted messages for ad purposes, because they can't . But messages sent from FB Messenger, not from WhatsApp, are unencrypted and so are likely used for ad purposes -- but of course the question wasn't worded in that way. The way they scoped that question t…

I suppose there is some value to Zuckerberg dodging whether FB connects what it knows from WhatsApp data with their advertising platform. Even if it's metadata.

But they're probably doing so much more with Messenger and their 'shadow profiles'.

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Post by tomcooks »

Anderkent wrote: post #149
mrlala wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost a completely biased question. Objectively: who engages in hate speech? The far right. The far left may be overly accepting of everything, let's say.. they are not the ones engaging in hate speech. So it's no surprise that far right pages would be banned way more often than far left pages.

Far left very much engages in hate speech. Kill all white people etc etc. You can try to true scotsman that, but you can do the same for the far right.

So in the US right is white people and left is everyone else?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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Post by SahAssar »

kzrdude wrote: post #64
Simulacra wrote: post #49

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According to the Lobbying Disclosure Reports[0], if you add up outside council for Facebook, they're paying about $156,000 PER MONTH on lobbyists. You'll want to look at 2017 Q4 reports, as Q1 is not yet due and they don't file until it's absolutely due. [0]. http://disclosures.house.gov/ld/ldsearch.aspx

How many full time lobbyists do you get for that money? One? :-)

You don't need many, you just need to pay the ones that already have the ear of a few senators and congressmen enough to lobby for you.

A "good" lobbyist is a time-shared resource that has access to many legislators, not a sole-use asset.

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Post by dusing »

Zimahl wrote: post #146
dusing wrote: post #115

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I believe others had been covering privacy pretty well. When it comes to 20k people manually policing content - it is probably good that the group be neutral.

Yet he only asked about conservative causes and people that were affected by Facebook policies. It gives the appearance that Facebook is only policing conservative content. I'm sure if one looked, you could find liberal causes and people that were policed as well.

Zuck had himself just said that people living in silicon valley are overwhelmingly left leaning. So when he says they have 20k back home policing content it would makes sense to assume those 20k people are included in the group Zuck summarizes as overwhelmingly left leaning. Worth asking about.

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Post by adjkant »

gregknicholson wrote: post #156
mmsimanga wrote: post #74

Am I missing something? Take the Senator who spoke about monopolies. An oil monopoly is bad because we all need to get to work and trains need to run. Microsoft monopoly, arguable but I can see how it can be bad. All companies end up using Microsoft and this affects everyone, hospitals, schools ... Facebook is optional, we won't starve, hospitals won't close, aeroplanes will continue if we delete Facebook. Is this an…

Are there are job offers on Facebook? (That's a genuine question; I don't have an account.) Perhaps some service providers are only (or primarily) contactable for complaints via Facebook (and maybe Twitter and a couple of others), and therefore to contact them you need an account with one of those companies. So perhaps to participate in society without a disadvantage, you need an account with Facebook Inc, or at leas…

> Are there are job offers on Facebook?

They just launched that recently! Maybe soon!!!

Re: Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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Post by davvolun »

Anderkent wrote: post #149
mrlala wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost a completely biased question. Objectively: who engages in hate speech? The far right. The far left may be overly accepting of everything, let's say.. they are not the ones engaging in hate speech. So it's no surprise that far right pages would be banned way more often than far left pages.

Far left very much engages in hate speech. Kill all white people etc etc. You can try to true scotsman that, but you can do the same for the far right.

I feel fairly confident I don't need to use 'no true scotsman' to argue the fact that no one with a "D" after their name asking Zuckerberg a question today has ever said "Kill all white people."

On the other hand, Cruz wasted our time, and more importantly, the time any other member of Congress would have had to ask something important, asking Zuckerberg about a Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day page that was deleted for 12 hours, yet failed to mention the words "Cambridge Analytica." Hmmmm.

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Post by brandon272 »

Anderkent wrote: post #149
mrlala wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost a completely biased question. Objectively: who engages in hate speech? The far right. The far left may be overly accepting of everything, let's say.. they are not the ones engaging in hate speech. So it's no surprise that far right pages would be banned way more often than far left pages.

Far left very much engages in hate speech. Kill all white people etc etc. You can try to true scotsman that, but you can do the same for the far right.

Who on the left is suggesting that all white people be killed?

Ted Nugent has actually suggested executing Democrats, recently. Not only did he say it, but there was no backlash from the right.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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Post by paulie_a »

mmsimanga wrote: post #92
Irishsteve wrote: post #83

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He failed to answer a simple question of who can their users migrate over to when they are not happy. Wonder if that will come back to hurt him.

It probably will come back to haunt him. I just feel all sorts of other issues are being blamed on Facebook. Humans can be horrible, there was a genocide in Rwanda. Facebook wasn't needed (not sure it was around back then). If we going to blame Facebook we might as well blame the Mobile phones for enabling us to have Facebook. I feel they should stick to the privacy issues which are true issues.

Just because Facebook wasn't necessary to commit genocide isn't really a valid point

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Post by arrrg »

r00fus wrote: post #68
baalimago wrote: post #54

Mark Zuckerberg does not believe he has a monopoly. He believes there is an alternative to Facebook in the way that different car manufacturers have different competitors. Surely he can't mean this, right?

Mark has always thought his primary competitor is email. Let that kind of hubris sink in for a moment. He's smart and capable but I don't think he has perspective. Perhaps he never did.

Why do you think that‘s hubris? I think that‘s a great way of looking at Facebook and what it provides.
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