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Sex workers fear violence as US cracks down on online ads: 'Girls will die'

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Perhaps, but making it easier for them to make bad choices is not the way to go.

Well, read my many other replies around here. Prostitution is in no way a good life for women.

I don't necessarily think it is either, but I don't get to dictate to women how they live their lives.

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Even if someone wants to do something, that doesn't mean it is good for them. We as a society should not incentivize people to do self harm, even if the person chooses the self harm. It is essentially incentivizing women to commit suicide.

What isn't good for them? How do you get from sex to suicide? And how far can society go when dictating what a person can or can not do? People are allowed to smoke and drink. People have sex without payments happening too.

-> To be a sex worker, a woman is having multiple sex partners per day. Her exposure to STDs, and abuse in general, is increased exponentially. That is essentially suicide.

Life is essentially suicide in that aspect. Sex workers have the option to use condoms. There are tests, and most STDs are not lethal.

Abuse is being enabled by making the business hide in shadows.

edit: to who i was replying to the reply button was gone.

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Other professions are legitimate needs. Such as soldiers, police, firefighters. A society needs them to function well. Prostitution destroys society. It breaks up families. It leads to fatherless children. It spreads STDs. It teaches men to treat women as sex objects. It denigrates sex in general to pleasure instead of its main purpose of creating the next generation.

Families don't break apart randomly. One of the main reasons is spouses cheating. Even regulated, the number of STD exposures climbs exponentially with prostitution. That is just the unavoidable math of having massive numbers of sex partners.

Well, then you can ask yourself; what's the reason for spouses cheating?

Seriously; prostitution is a symptom, not the cause.

With regards to diseases; diseases spread with any physical contact between humans. I still don't think that it would be a good thing to stop having contact.

Making prostitution illegal will not make it go away. It has been with us for before we climbed out of the trees, it will be with us long after we've stopped reading words. Making it illegal will just rob the prostitutes of potential protection and safety.

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To be a sex worker, a woman is having multiple sex partners per day . Her exposure to STDs, and abuse in general, is increased exponentially. That is essentially suicide.

Coal miners, oil rig workers, soldiers, policemen, firemen, doctors. These are all necessary jobs to make our society run. Prostitution is both unnecessary and destructive to all parties involved. Clear difference between the two categories.

So say you. Obviously prostitution is a necessity, too. It's not called 'the oldest profession' for nothing. It serves a need, so it is a necessity.

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The body is an especially intimate part of one's being. To denigrate it to be another's tool is no different than slavery, even if one receives financial recompense.

People make bad decisions about their bodies all the time. When the decision is bad enough, you intervene. Drug abuse and alcoholism are clearer. You don't let your friend go down the path of heroin abuse and an early grave.

I try to intervene by nudging him/her away from bad decisions and make him aware of how his decision will affect his live. Not by prohibiting the actions.

Prohibition itself has never stopped anyone from doing anything stupid. All it ever does is empower scrupulous people to make money of it.

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To be a sex worker, a woman is having multiple sex partners per day . Her exposure to STDs, and abuse in general, is increased exponentially. That is essentially suicide.

Coal miners, oil rig workers, soldiers, policemen, firemen, doctors. These are all necessary jobs to make our society run. Prostitution is both unnecessary and destructive to all parties involved. Clear difference between the two categories.

coal miners are necessary for society but prostitutes are not. I wonder which proffesion has been around longer.

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Perhaps, but making it easier for them to make bad choices is not the way to go.

Well, read my many other replies around here. Prostitution is in no way a good life for women.

It might or it might not be a good choice. Just with so many life choices. I think the best we can do -- as a society -- is to mitigate any harm that might come from it and make sure everybody involved knows what they consent to.

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> Section 230 is a bad thing and it going away is a good thing The last 20 years of web innovation begs to differ. Killing user-generated content will make us all worse off.

I vehemently disagree with the rhetoric of the tech companies that holding them legally responsible for willful participation in criminal activity will "kill user-generated content".

Your "the tech companies" is a tell to where the problem lies. In your world only well funded tech companies that can pay for a team of moderators or a team of expensive engineers to develop AI filters will be able to host user generated content. But a lot of times innovation comes from small unfunded individuals.

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Consent is not a magic wand that makes all actions moral. And yes, brokeness will be with us for all time. So, your solution is to just allow things to get worse? Sometimes you have to take a hard stand on things to help people not destroy themselves.

There are clearly objective moral values. A society that denigrates sex to entertainment and cannot reproduce will cease to exist.

Moral values only exist in a societal context. We as a society decide what is moral and what is not.

As for sex as entertainment; yes, sexual intercourse in all its wonderful varieties is entertainment. Just look at some of our closest cousins, the Bonobos. They entertain themselves all day long with sex. Well, almost.

I really don't get why you think that sex is something bad. I think it's wonderful and we should have much more of it. - it's just way better entertainment then war.

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I don't mean to diminish the hardships of prostitution. But its a matter of degree, isn't it? What performance artist isn't reduced to an instrument for another?

The body is an especially intimate part of one's being. To denigrate it to be another's tool is no different than slavery, even if one receives financial recompense.

By this logic all employment that requires physical activity is slavery.
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