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We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by projectramo »

pbiggar wrote: post #89
projectramo wrote: post #83

If I were to take advantage of this opportunity, my main question would be about darklang. While it is interesting to be paid to give some feedback to a system and maybe learn something, it would be interesting to know just what it was. Consider: if you told me darklang was a python based language that was built on top of django/AWS and automated a lot of the work around it. Consider: you told me darklang was a JSON…

Good question. Conceptually, Dark is most similar to your django/aws example. There's a lot more types, though in a really good way. We're aiming for all the advantages of static typing, coupled with all the advantages of dynamic typing. For example, you use the same types all the way from DB schemas to API validation.

Thanks for clarifying.

Can you share what language darklang uses (or what language it is based off of)? I imagine if it is a language the startup already uses, it would lower the risk of trying it.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by pbiggar »

throwawayjava wrote: post #98
pbiggar wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good question. Conceptually, Dark is most similar to your django/aws example. There's a lot more types, though in a really good way. We're aiming for all the advantages of static typing, coupled with all the advantages of dynamic typing. For example, you use the same types all the way from DB schemas to API validation.

> We're aiming for all the advantages of static typing, coupled with all the advantages of dynamic typing. For example, you use the same types all the way from DB schemas to API validation. Sounds like what Microsoft tried to do with the .NET ecosystem, but with cloud integration (which Microsoft should be doing for their own cloud) and API validation. Someone needs to actually succeed at doing this. Most of the type…

Thanks! If you have any things you think we should read, would love to see it.

Internally, we build a Real World app (https://github.com/gothinkster/realworld) and some other stuff. It taught us a lot but not nearly as much as a real developer will :)

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by z0r »

pbiggar wrote: post #81
temuze wrote: post #62

> We’re creating a new programming language, tightly integrated with an editor, compiler and PaaS, to allow engineers to build distributed applications using high-level primitives. Not sure if this is ambitious enough. Maybe you should make a database, too :) But seriously, you'd have to convince me of a lot of things before I consider using a service like this, much less basing a business off of it: 1) The bar for y…

1,2) Yes, agreed. 3) You're totally right: we're concerned about this and have been thinking about it a lot. Obviously, vendor lock-in is a disadvantage for us because it will hurt adoption, so we'd definitely prefer this wasn't the case. 4) Bear in mind that the editor only targets Dark, including our infrastructure component, APIs, and language. So this is substantially less work than say, building vim or Atom. 5)…

Is your editor written in elisp?

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by pbiggar »

z0r wrote: post #103
pbiggar wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1,2) Yes, agreed. 3) You're totally right: we're concerned about this and have been thinking about it a lot. Obviously, vendor lock-in is a disadvantage for us because it will hurt adoption, so we'd definitely prefer this wasn't the case. 4) Bear in mind that the editor only targets Dark, including our infrastructure component, APIs, and language. So this is substantially less work than say, building vim or Atom. 5)…

Is your editor written in elisp?

OCaml and Elm right now.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by gnode »

adamsea wrote: post #91
twodave wrote: post #43

It’s a bold move. I like it, but I’m alarmed at how many people are acting like $3k isn’t worth taking. If I wasn’t solidly anchored on the east coast (Jacksonville, FL) I’d be taking a serious look at this, since it would give me about a 30% better chance at bootstrapping and avoiding taking on funding or other debt to build something cool.

If someone is serious about starting a company, betting the success or failure of that company on an entirely new piece of technology (unless it’s critical for the product) in exchange for $3K/month doesn’t sound compelling.

Not only entirely new, but not publicly forthcoming with details.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by notfromhere »

MarkyC4 wrote: post #32
aphextron wrote: post #7

Can we get some more info on what exactly "Dark Lang" is? A Google search yields absolutely nothing. Definitely sounds interesting though. I have a lot of ideas, and would jump at the chance to cut my salary in half in exchange for total freedom to pursue them.

I went to their homepage to find this blurb: We’re creating a new programming language, tightly integrated with an editor, compiler and PaaS, to allow engineers to build distributed applications using high-level primitives. We abstract away individual machines and low-level distributed systems code to: * Generate and run scalable infrastructure for you. * Use APIs as easily as if they were functions. * Remove the dep…

So basically mathematica/wolfram language?

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by gnode »

qaq wrote: post #77

Hmm betting your future on a platform that has unknown chance of success for 1/7 of 1 eng. comp package/year is a strange risk to take.

Where are you getting your numbers from? $3k * 12 months * 7 would be $252k/yr. Glassdoor reports average software engineer salaries in SF at $125k/yr.

Still, you're right that $3k is on the low side for SF, if you're treating it as your sole income to live off.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by qaq »

gnode wrote: post #107
qaq wrote: post #77

Hmm betting your future on a platform that has unknown chance of success for 1/7 of 1 eng. comp package/year is a strange risk to take.

Where are you getting your numbers from? $3k * 12 months * 7 would be $252k/yr. Glassdoor reports average software engineer salaries in SF at $125k/yr. Still, you're right that $3k is on the low side for SF, if you're treating it as your sole income to live off.

add medical insurance, add stock options etc. even if it is 1/4 it still a very strange risk to take on.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by gnulinux »

temuze wrote: post #62

> We’re creating a new programming language, tightly integrated with an editor, compiler and PaaS, to allow engineers to build distributed applications using high-level primitives. Not sure if this is ambitious enough. Maybe you should make a database, too :) But seriously, you'd have to convince me of a lot of things before I consider using a service like this, much less basing a business off of it: 1) The bar for y…

Also, sorry but I'll (probably) never use anything other than emacs. I already invested ~10 years of customization. Most people did the same for other editors, IDEs etc. Its way too ambitious to make your own editor for a programming language. No project uses just one language. I'm not going to use emacs for 3 other languages and your app for one other. If your language is way too good, I'll try port an emacs mode and ignore your editor. Half your business model is already ignored by me.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by oliwarner »

temuze wrote: post #62

> We’re creating a new programming language, tightly integrated with an editor, compiler and PaaS, to allow engineers to build distributed applications using high-level primitives. Not sure if this is ambitious enough. Maybe you should make a database, too :) But seriously, you'd have to convince me of a lot of things before I consider using a service like this, much less basing a business off of it: 1) The bar for y…

Webscale.
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