We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark • Hacker News Board

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by rapsey » Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 6:01 PM UTC

MarkyC4 wrote: post #32

aphextron wrote: post #7

Can we get some more info on what exactly "Dark Lang" is? A Google search yields absolutely nothing. Definitely sounds interesting though. I have a lot of ideas, and would jump at the chance to cut my salary in half in exchange for total freedom to pursue them.

I went to their homepage to find this blurb: We’re creating a new programming language, tightly integrated with an editor, compiler and PaaS, to allow engineers to build distributed applications using high-level primitives. We abstract away individual machines and low-level distributed systems code to: * Generate and run scalable infrastructure for you. * Use APIs as easily as if they were functions. * Remove the dep…

* forever bind you to our services and charge you any amount of money because you have no choice but to pay. If you fail we will just take your business.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by haldean » Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 6:01 PM UTC

Only tangentially related, but this thread seems like a good way to contact the team: the "engineering" and "operations engineering" job description links are 404s on this page: http://darklang.com/team/

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by twodave » Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 6:01 PM UTC

It’s a bold move. I like it, but I’m alarmed at how many people are acting like $3k isn’t worth taking. If I wasn’t solidly anchored on the east coast (Jacksonville, FL) I’d be taking a serious look at this, since it would give me about a 30% better chance at bootstrapping and avoiding taking on funding or other debt to build something cool.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by FireBeyond » Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 6:02 PM UTC

lilyball wrote: post #27

I get the feeling a lot of people in the comments here didn't actually read the article. If you're complaining that $3k isn't enough to live in SF, you missed the point. Dark isn't trying to pay you a $3k salary. They're not looking to hire someone to build a random app. They're looking for an employee of some other startup to camp out in their office for 3 months and use Dark to build the backend for that startup, a…

I feel that you are extrapolating on one data point.

The quote I think you're using to say "this is for startups":

> We pay you (or your company) $3000 a month.

In contrast to the multitude of other more personal references:

> We'll pay you $3000/mo

> Dark is a new tool to help you build a complete scalable app in an afternoon.

How many startups are working on "building an app in an afternoon"?

> You come to the office

> You build the backend

I don't think it's particularly fair to say "a lot of people didn't read the article" and that it is somehow obvious that this is aimed directly at startups, not individuals or otherwise.

Of course, no, it's not a livable wage. It's to me, more a "beta tester stipend" with a few bonuses. Can it realistically work for someone as a sole "job"? No, not without external support or a nest egg.

But I don't think that shows conclusively that they're looking to pay startups to work from their offices.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 6:02 PM UTC

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Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by stedaniels » Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 6:03 PM UTC

slig wrote: post #29

minimaxir wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Votes on direct links don't count in terms of article ranking, but they'll increment the upvote counter which could cause bandwagoning. Since this submission got to #3 on the front page, there are likely enough authentic upvotes. Again, it's an algorithmic gray area.

Besides not counting on the rank, do they also trigger some king of red flag?

They would be exceptionally easy to trigger by a nefarious actor.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by pbiggar » Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 6:03 PM UTC

aphextron wrote: post #7

Can we get some more info on what exactly "Dark Lang" is? A Google search yields absolutely nothing. Definitely sounds interesting though. I have a lot of ideas, and would jump at the chance to cut my salary in half in exchange for total freedom to pursue them.

Edit: expanded my answer here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16803660

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by staticautomatic » Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 6:03 PM UTC

How can we know if Dark would be suitable for our use case without more technical info?

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by empath75 » Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 6:03 PM UTC

downer61 wrote: post #12

$18 an hour, or $24 an hour, part-time.

It's not a job offer, they're paying you to give them feedback on their product while you're working on what you would have worked on anyway.

Re: We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark

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Post by chrisseaton » Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 6:03 PM UTC

throwawayjava wrote: post #24

> Your product is not backend-heavy, such as: ...machine-learning models Maybe the meanings of these words have morphed over time, but in what sense is a "machine-learning model" not a back-end concern? It sure as heck isn't front-end... (E.g., the current wiki page for "front and back end" explicitly mentions "converting the symbolic phonetic representation into actual sounds" as an example of a back end concern, an…

> Maybe the meanings of these words have morphed over time, but in what sense is a "machine-learning model" not a back-end concern? It sure as heck isn't front-end...

Huh? They're giving it as an example of something that is backend-heavy that they don't want your product to be like. You've got it backwards.

> (Your product is (not (backend-heavy, such as: ...machine-learning models)))