> The tool that was finally chosen is a disaster with a graphical user interface, an abomination coming directly from Sweden. Ohh, which versioning software comes from Sweden and is so bad? Got curious about this one.
I think it's a French proverb.
Project from Hell (2008)
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Technically, using consultants as French SSII do is illegal, but nobody cares. In factories, it used to be the same until 10 years ago when labour inspection finally intervened. We can only hope it'll be the same for IT/CS jobs in the coming years.
I had a colleague from our big consultant shop (Alten) who had spent 10 year working for the same big Telco operator (Orange). From what I understood, it was illegal, but I don't know the exact limit.
From what I remember, the upper limit is five years, but most "missions" are limited to three years because justifying so much time becomes complicated for companies. But legally, missions should be very specific, short, with SSII-provided material, and no imposed office hours... so far, haven't seen a single IT/CS consultant used as required by law.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Technically, using consultants as French SSII do is illegal, but nobody cares. In factories, it used to be the same until 10 years ago when labour inspection finally intervened. We can only hope it'll be the same for IT/CS jobs in the coming years.
I had a colleague from our big consultant shop (Alten) who had spent 10 year working for the same big Telco operator (Orange). From what I understood, it was illegal, but I don't know the exact limit.
Iirc thelimit is two years. Where I work some consultant workers did more than that in the same position, sued and were obliged to be hired by the client as they were considered already de facto employees.
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#124> The tool that was finally chosen is a disaster with a graphical user interface, an abomination coming directly from Sweden. Ohh, which versioning software comes from Sweden and is so bad? Got curious about this one.
Maybe ClearCase? Centralised, with access through a versioning filesystem.
Performance would strongly depend on the power of the server and a bunch of other things. Also, apparently builds are done centrally.
A get the shivers just thinking about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_ClearCase
See also these two links.
https://www.daedtech.com/how-rational-clear-case-stole-my-in...
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1074580/clearcase-advant...
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#126I'm curious to know what version control system they settled on.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would be the notice period. Germany is similar, it tends to be 6 weeks to the end of the quarter, and it generally applies to both employee and employer. Though it often isn't quite as applicable to the employee...what are they going to do if you don't show up, fire you?
At least in New Zealand, if you abandon your job, the employer can bill you for any costs incurred, e.g. if they had to get a worker from a temp agency, you'd have to pay for the worker, or at least pay for the extra costs of a temp worker.
That's incorrect unless you're a company contracting to an organisation, in which case you signed a contract saying you're going to stay and do X for period of time, and if they have to stop and scramble because you left without the contracting being breached - you're liable. Which is fair and universal.
Employees on the other hand have NEVER been docked pay in New Zealand and you are in NO way legally obligated to turn up for work. The only case you'd experience penalties is if you're a doctor, nurse, teacher and the like where you're likely to receive license/registration repercussions from a governmental board.
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#128So what was the ultimate fate of the project? The 2018 follow-up post [1] says the boss was jailed for fraud, but doesn't say whether the project eventually shipped or was killed (or, even worse, is still in development). [1] https://projectfailures.wordpress.com/2018/03/24/follow-up-o...
Using some hints from the blog, the company is likely Sagem or one his subsidiary, well known for mismanaging armies of consultants.
I am not sure they actually worked on Louvois, so this is possibly another unrelated epic failure.
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#129So what was the ultimate fate of the project? The 2018 follow-up post [1] says the boss was jailed for fraud, but doesn't say whether the project eventually shipped or was killed (or, even worse, is still in development). [1] https://projectfailures.wordpress.com/2018/03/24/follow-up-o...
My best guess is the article referred to Louvois, France's attempt to build a military payment system. An article in French about it: https://www.franceinter.fr/emissions/secrets-d-info/secrets-... In 2018 it still does not exist. The French government has decided to try again, awarding the contract to the same company.
Well, I'd say finding out who decided that the contract should go to the same company is a good start of the corruption investigation.
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#130I think I've used the source code control system mentioned in the article. It was indeed a pile of garbage. Took a couple days of training in it, and the folks running the class kept telling us not to use certain checkboxes and features of the UI "or bad stuff will happen".
Just curious. What is it?
It might be Telelogic/Rationale Synergy, given it is from a Swedish company originally.