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Time for third-party data brokers to emerge from the shadows?

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Re: Time for third-party data brokers to emerge from the shadows?

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People do care. They have very limited ability to make meaningful changes. But you can look at the national do not call registry in the US, and it's popularity to see that when there are options, people are happy to use them.

Do not call list is about avoiding annoying calls, not privacy

Annoying calls invade privacy.

Re: Time for third-party data brokers to emerge from the shadows?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do not call list is about avoiding annoying calls, not privacy

Annoying calls invade privacy.

Not in the same sense.

Most people don't care nearly as much that a telemarketer knows their name and that they have an above average chance of being interested in refinancing their house as they do about the fact that the call interrupted dinner.

Re: Time for third-party data brokers to emerge from the shadows?

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Yeah! Maybe we can model it after the big 3 consumer credit agencies! We can centralize all ppls info in one easy to access place! This new organization will be much more honest than the current ones! IMO For this to happen correctly it has to be decentralized, perhaps blockchain style.

..or, people can just wise up to what is happening to them. For me, the key moment, was when Microsoft gave away Windows 10. I knew then, that I was the product, however I suspect that most people would not chew on why.

I thought the same thing. Concerning Windows config: a friends dad who's a network engineer turned me on to this resource for Windows service configuration when I was 10 and broke our family pc by removing required boot files. We reinstalled, and [1] was the first place he recommended I go. Still it use to this day.

[1] blackviper.com

Re: Time for third-party data brokers to emerge from the shadows?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do not call list is about avoiding annoying calls, not privacy

Annoying calls invade privacy.

You misunderstand. Annoying calls and privacy are related in the same way as a white list and a black list or as "all men are human but not all humans are men.

Re: Time for third-party data brokers to emerge from the shadows?

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Yeah! Maybe we can model it after the big 3 consumer credit agencies! We can centralize all ppls info in one easy to access place! This new organization will be much more honest than the current ones! IMO For this to happen correctly it has to be decentralized, perhaps blockchain style.

To go to a blockchain doesn't logically follow as a solution from the premise that credit agencies keep data.

Re: Time for third-party data brokers to emerge from the shadows?

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The fundamental issue is that the average person in the United States and Austrailia simply don't really care for their online privacy. Offer something free and people will happily sign up and give all sorts of personal information without any hesitation. Offer a loyalty card at a store with discounts, and people will happily sign up for it. Even after the Snowden revelations, not much really happened to the governme…

Contributing to the issue, I think, is the fact that the like of the media/ad industry and the likes of fb have deliberately eroded the idea and importance of privacy and have encouraged this idea that giving up all your data in return for...nebulous...benefits is a really great thing and you should definitely do it! People have been told (by vested interests) that giving up privacy and all your data is the only possible way x/y/z company can survive.

Once this acceptance of zero privacy cemented and we had the Snowden revelations a lot of people seem to have just capitulated: "they already know everything, why bother fixing it" which itself is a fallacy that only results in sort of fulfilling itself.

Re: Time for third-party data brokers to emerge from the shadows?

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The fundamental issue is that the average person in the United States and Austrailia simply don't really care for their online privacy. Offer something free and people will happily sign up and give all sorts of personal information without any hesitation. Offer a loyalty card at a store with discounts, and people will happily sign up for it. Even after the Snowden revelations, not much really happened to the governme…

And the fundamental issue that many here have is that they assume people are too ignorant to make informed decisions. That a user is free to give up their privacy is not automatically a bad thing. It's often parroted that people are willingly giving this information up even after breaches and malfeasance is made known. It's not because they are ignorant or naive, it's because they've made a conscious risk/reward choice.

Re: Time for third-party data brokers to emerge from the shadows?

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The fundamental issue is that the average person in the United States and Austrailia simply don't really care for their online privacy. Offer something free and people will happily sign up and give all sorts of personal information without any hesitation. Offer a loyalty card at a store with discounts, and people will happily sign up for it. Even after the Snowden revelations, not much really happened to the governme…

This article is arguing for government regulation in the area of privacy. You state how the killers and abusers of privacy in the past in Europe were the government. I am not able to connect the dots between your point and this article.

Government is not intrinsically bad. It can be a tool by which powerless people can get together in large numbers and overcome a small number of powerful people. Of course, the few powerful people will try to distort the democratic process for their own benefit.

You seem to think that the rich minority will always win out. But sometimes the poor majority can change the system. For example in the USA in the Great Depression, and after WW2, government tended to favor the working classes much more than it does now.

Re: Time for third-party data brokers to emerge from the shadows?

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post #6

The fundamental issue is that the average person in the United States and Austrailia simply don't really care for their online privacy. Offer something free and people will happily sign up and give all sorts of personal information without any hesitation. Offer a loyalty card at a store with discounts, and people will happily sign up for it. Even after the Snowden revelations, not much really happened to the governme…

This article is arguing for government regulation in the area of privacy. You state how the killers and abusers of privacy in the past in Europe were the government. I am not able to connect the dots between your point and this article.

This is an important point. We can't point to examples of government distrust as excuses to lean on the government. To me, the differing viewpoints on either side of the Atlantic are simply corporate freedom from government vs customer protection from companies. But there's no denying one side clearly trusts their government to solve these problems instead of other approaches.
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