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Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by dfxm12 »

encoderer wrote: post #36

Maybe it’s my American DNA but I don’t want European laws. I don’t suspect this to be a popular sentiment here.

I don't fully understand what you mean. Do you want Europe to be a lawless continent? Or do you not want a private, multi-national company to voluntarily apply a data protection framework uniformly to all of its users simply because the EU requires them to apply it to EU residents?

Both of these things are out of scope for you, no? I suppose you could vote with your shares if you own stock in Facebook...

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Post by lentil_soup »

encoderer wrote: post #36

Maybe it’s my American DNA but I don’t want European laws. I don’t suspect this to be a popular sentiment here.

I don't think it's about adopting European laws, it's about following a set of principles on how they handle personal data. These set of principles happen to be inspired in an European law, all they're asking is to use them as a baseline.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by sakabaro »

notheguyouthink wrote: post #25
sakabaro wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with parent. GDPR is a threat to freedom of speech while not changing much in term of privacy as worst actors is governements themselves. Edward Snowden revalations are 100x worse than whatever worse FB scenario you are picking. GDPR sets a bad precedent with local laws impacting foreign businesses. In this logic, why Chinese speech laws shouldn’t apply to EU and US companies if GDPR applies globally?

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Nothing wrong with taking inspiration from other country laws. My original point is that GDPR is fundamently wrong. It’s infringing with freedom of speech by making new social network harder to create for dubious privacy gains. If you think FB is wrong, the best way to take it down is to replace it, not try to make it compliant.

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Post by M_Bakhtiari »

sakabaro wrote: post #59
M_Bakhtiari wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious. Can you give an example of where this would infringe on the 1st amendment?

Blockchains storing social data is good example. It's infringing by nature GDPR. A decentralised facebook-like social network on the blockchain is not possible anymore. Each node can be sue. It had happened with TOR exit nodes.

IANAL, but crypto-shredding seems to be a viable way to meet GDPR deletion requirements, making it possible to implement compliant blockchains. Of course you'd have to make the nodes comply, but that has nothing to do with blockchains.

But I still don't see the connection with the first amendment.

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Post by j32fun »

taylorswift_ wrote: post #70
j32fun wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a few blogs have touched on this: * https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nightmare-letter-subject-acce... * https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2018/02/gdpr-for-web-develo... * https://wtfuh.com/2018-04-09/gdpr-has-a-few-problems/ * https://pagefair.com/blog/2018/granular-gdpr-consent/

thanks, wow responding to a letter like your first link could significantly bog down resources for a young company... you can imagine if you launched and even received moderate user growth early on, but then started receiving such letters, your productivity could go down the tubes.

I think so too. It certainly makes one question what kinds of app I would want to build.

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Post by taylorswift_ »

ryandrake wrote: post #66
taylorswift_ wrote: post #50

Is anyone talking about the harmful effects on startup companies that may want to create new social platforms to compete against the incumbent players? All the talk about regulating facebook, twitter, etc are actually great for those companies because they can afford compliance. But it raises the bar of entry so high that new companies wouldn't be able to compete since with limited resources they wouldn't be able to…

A lot of people don’t care about fire safety either (until their house is burning down) which is why we have regulations, building codes, mandatory sprinklers in offices, etc. I am starting to look at privacy like it should be treated as a public safety concern, since it’s invisible to people until it’s not.

can social media kill you though? I mean all this talk of regulating social networks is under the assumption that it's something you need to have. I would argue that safe shelter is a true human need, but posting cat gifs or pictures of drunken escapades or political musings does not seem equally comparable and thus I do not see how regulation does anything other than hamper competition.

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Post by arkh »

taylorswift_ wrote: post #50

Is anyone talking about the harmful effects on startup companies that may want to create new social platforms to compete against the incumbent players? All the talk about regulating facebook, twitter, etc are actually great for those companies because they can afford compliance. But it raises the bar of entry so high that new companies wouldn't be able to compete since with limited resources they wouldn't be able to…

The more I read people against GDPR the more I get the feeling they're the same kind of people behind mail based scams.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by arkh »

maaaats wrote: post #62
taylorswift_ wrote: post #50

Is anyone talking about the harmful effects on startup companies that may want to create new social platforms to compete against the incumbent players? All the talk about regulating facebook, twitter, etc are actually great for those companies because they can afford compliance. But it raises the bar of entry so high that new companies wouldn't be able to compete since with limited resources they wouldn't be able to…

Read about what GDPR actually entails. Following it should be simple for a new player.

But how can you have enough user-growth to get vast amount of money from investor if you can't play fast and loose with the data you collect on your users?

Fuck the users! They're not the clients.

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Post by Matticus_Rex »

arkh wrote: post #77
taylorswift_ wrote: post #50

Is anyone talking about the harmful effects on startup companies that may want to create new social platforms to compete against the incumbent players? All the talk about regulating facebook, twitter, etc are actually great for those companies because they can afford compliance. But it raises the bar of entry so high that new companies wouldn't be able to compete since with limited resources they wouldn't be able to…

The more I read people against GDPR the more I get the feeling they're the same kind of people behind mail based scams.

It depends on what part of the GDPR you're against. I'm generally in favor of a lot of the GDPR's goals, but the execution is pretty clumsy and a few of the provisions are at best useless and impose unnecessary costs.

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Post by sakabaro »

ggregoire wrote: post #41
RussianCow wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you really comparing GDPR to Chinese speech laws?

Sadly I've seen this comparison so many times this last week on HN. Seems like common sense leaves some people when we talk about their country.

You are making the wrong assumptions. I am a EU citizen, but live in the US. I will vote in an heartbeat for a 1st amendment like in an Europe law. You just don’t see how Europe speech is reatricted, and how laws like GDPR contributes to it.
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