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Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by ggregoire » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:20 PM UTC

RussianCow wrote: post #22

sakabaro wrote: post #18

I think in the opposit we should urge US companies to fight against GDPR. Local foreign laws shouldn’t dictate how our companies should behave. Why not respecting speech laws in China or in Russia if we follow this precedent?

Are you really comparing GDPR to Chinese speech laws?

Sadly I've seen this comparison so many times this last week on HN. Seems like common sense leaves some people when we talk about their country.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by monocasa » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:20 PM UTC

desas wrote: post #30

JD557 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I don't agree with some of Google/Facebook/et al. standards, I think that's not a fair comparison, since they are US based companies following US cultural norms, not EU based companies following US cultural norms.

Facebook and Google have many subsidiary companies based in the EU

At not just little subsidiaries either. Up until very recently, all ad revenue was going through their Irish subsidiary.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by FooBarWidget » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:20 PM UTC

athenot wrote: post #28

FooBarWidget wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have seen a lot of GDPR critics on HN saying that the right to be forgotten is censorship. That news articles about criminals should not be deleted. The GP is probably reiterating such sentiments. Strangely, none of these critics ever seem to consider the opposite cases: what if a person was wrongly accused of murder, but was later found innocent? Old articles about his "suspicion for murder" should either be recti…

Interesting you mention that. In many places in Europe, it is forbidden to release the name of a suspect until they are found guilty or there's heavy evidence weighing against them. Specifically for that reason.

But what if a person was in fact found guilty, but counter-evidence later came up and he was once again ruled innocent? His name has been long published by then.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:20 PM UTC

encoderer wrote: post #36

Maybe it’s my American DNA but I don’t want European laws. I don’t suspect this to be a popular sentiment here.

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Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by riantogo » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:21 PM UTC

Towards what end? GDPR is not going to (or meant to) eliminate targeted online advertising. Which means it is not going to thwart Cambridge Analytica and the likes. We need to address the root of the problem, which is money/advertising in politics.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by adtac » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:21 PM UTC

encoderer wrote: post #36

Maybe it’s my American DNA but I don’t want European laws. I don’t suspect this to be a popular sentiment here.

How is the country/continent of origin of a regulation that is entirely in your best interest of any relevance?

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by bognition » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:21 PM UTC

encoderer wrote: post #36

Maybe it’s my American DNA but I don’t want European laws. I don’t suspect this to be a popular sentiment here.

Not wanting European laws is likely the core of your American DNA.

American's national identity is wrapped up in founding of their government and throwing off "oppressive" European laws is at the center of that narrative.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by kevinmchugh » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:21 PM UTC

sakabaro wrote: post #33

RussianCow wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you really comparing GDPR to Chinese speech laws?

Yes, both are infringing 1st amendment. It’s not because GDPR seems more acceptable than it’s not built on bad premises.

in what sense do european and chinese laws impinge on the (USAmerican) 1st amendment?

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by grive » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:21 PM UTC

encoderer wrote: post #36

Maybe it’s my American DNA but I don’t want European laws. I don’t suspect this to be a popular sentiment here.

Why the distinction? A good law is still a good law, regardless of its origin.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by taylorswift_ » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:21 PM UTC

Is anyone talking about the harmful effects on startup companies that may want to create new social platforms to compete against the incumbent players? All the talk about regulating facebook, twitter, etc are actually great for those companies because they can afford compliance. But it raises the bar of entry so high that new companies wouldn't be able to compete since with limited resources they wouldn't be able to focus on the critical period of acquiring users and instead would be forced into building compliance features.

I firmly believe that the majority of people still don't care about their privacy in the first place or they wouldn't use such platforms. IMO this is government overreach and anti-competitive.