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Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by ec109685 »

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #330
ec109685 wrote: post #307

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The author is wrong. You just do what google does and ask for consent before providing access to the site. The user doesn’t need to log in to consent. Once consented, the site can set a cookie. Then that user becomes part of your “Full interaction users” bucket.

Sounds good to me but that would be only needed if you’re sending personal data (like usernames) to Google Analytics, right? If you’re anonymising IP and have no personal data in your URLs, there is no need for consent for GA tracking I think.

It doesn’t have to be personally identifying info to qualify. If you are storing data on behalf of the user, you have to get consent from the user.

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Post by mirimir »

beberlei wrote: post #349
briandear wrote: post #233

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What is the difference between a tax and a mandatory fee? If government requires me to pay a fee, it’s a tax.

in german law a tax is general purpose, government can use the money to pay for any of their "services". whereas a fee has a specific purpose and cannot be used for anything else.

It's the same in the US. For example, there's a fee for getting a passport, and it's not considered to be a tax.

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Post by MarkMc »

mayniac wrote: post #200
MarkMc wrote: post #165

It seems to me that GDPR restricts economic growth. For example, I'd be quite happy to let my local supermarket sell my personal data to Google in exchange for a 3% discount on my grocery prices. Everone would benefit: (1) The supermarket gets an additional source of revenue; (2) Google can charge more for ads; (3) The toothpaste company gets better return on it's advertising; (4) I pay less for my groceries. GDPR pr…

From what I can see, this would be fine under GDPR anyway, so long as when you buy something in a supermarket they ask you "is it okay if we send information of what you bought to Google?" Of course it's completely impractical to get cashiers to do this every time someone buys something, so it will likely just be applicable to store reward cards. They're doing this already, and all GDPR will introduce is moving the p…

Doesn't GDPR say that 'informed consent' cannot be a condition of providing a business service? So as far as I can see the supermarket cannot say, "In order to receive the store rewards benefits you must agree to us selling your data to third parties".

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Post by distances »

dragonwriter wrote: post #351
beojan wrote: post #347

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That's my point. Get rid of the free “news" sites and people will start paying for print media (and digital subscriptions) again.

Print news media was dying for decades before online media came online, and was almost entirely paid for by ads (many local publications were and are free of charge, and many of the paid ones charged primarily to have paid circulation numbers and shape the socioeconomic demographics of their audience, both of which were and are mechanisms to boost advertising revenue.)

> Print news media was dying for decades before online media came online

Any sources for this? I don't think this was the case at all at least in my part of Europe.

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Post by distances »

bklaasen wrote: post #203
lossolo wrote: post #193

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There is only one "eastern europe" country that is really Putin friendly and it's Hungary, the rest is anti Putin.

Many urban, educated folks in Serbia see Putin as a better ally than any European leader.

That's probably due to the rather unusual recent history of Serbia I assume

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Post by madeofpalk »

chmars wrote: post #173
madeofpalk wrote: post #94

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This is my main question actually. While most of GDPR is common sense and shouldn't be much of a burden on companies[1], I was always confused about jurisdiction. While most larger companies have a legal presence somewhere within the EU that can be held accountable for this, I do wonder how the EU is supposed to be enforce penalties on a company outside of the EU. [1]: well, the difficulty grows the larger your compa…

According to art. 27 GDPR, affected data processors outside the EU have to establish a data privacy representative in the EU. In addition, authorities could for example seize local servers in the case of non-compliance. In many EU countries including Germany, data privacy violations can also be prosecuted as criminal offenses.

But this doesn't answer my question: I'm running a little side project here in Australia but with customers who happen to be in the EU. I have nothing in the EU - no sales office or support in Ireland, no hosting anywhere in the EU. How is the EU supposed to mandate that I do anything?

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Post by ardacinar »

IP adresses being protected as personal data has an interesting side effect. You can't be compliant under both EU GDPR and Turkish internet security laws (probably shared by a lot of oppressive and semi-oppressive regimes). That law states you have to keep the poster IP address of every post on the site and turn them over on court order.

Obviously, as with every law in Turkey, the enforcement is very subjective (for example, Twitter does not respond to most requests and nothing goes wrong for them. But say, if you're a non-Twitter scale website, you deny a couple requests or probably only one and you're getting blocked), and you might be able to get away with the "we don't store them/store them anonymized because GDPR" defence once.

Yes there' a 'justice' loophole in GDPR but I don't think "we're still saving the IP addresses anyway in case a court requests it" argument would fly. In the end, to be perfectly legal in both jurisdictions, you'll probably need to differentiate based on IP address ranges or something.

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Post by ionised »

Bizarro wrote: post #328
beojan wrote: post #142

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> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. Why am I not surprised that a European is saying that the government-backed "broadcaster" are all so good, and evil private American new sites are bad. this pretty much sums up the real agenda behind GDPR. It would be better to call the bluff of these EUrocrats and see wh…

Why am I not surprised that an American is crying over potential harm to unethical business practices of some of its most darling corporations by an EU rule to protect its citiziens.

Every time the EU implements some law or regulation regarding control of personal data and privacy, someone (an American) has to dismiss all the problems those laws are intended to address entirely, and go on to post some defensive, nationalist spiel about it being an attack on US companies.

Perhaps the problem is that these companies make their money in an incredibly unethical way that an increasing number of people are very uncomfortable with?

Stop turning this into something it isn't. All you are doing is poisoning the debate.

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Post by tomaskafka »

beojan wrote: post #142
rossdavidh wrote: post #135

In fact, I think the author is underestimating the impact, right here: "Of course, making this change will have a dramatic impact on your revenue for single-visit traffic, because you basically have to design your ad model to work completely differently from how it works today." No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news ind…

> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

Let me tell you how it works in central/eastern europe - ad-supported sites are financially sick, but more and more 'info' is spread out by well funded russian propaganda sites (imo they carry the ads only to seem 'legit').

They will thrive even more :(.

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Post by zimpenfish »

ardacinar wrote: post #397

IP adresses being protected as personal data has an interesting side effect. You can't be compliant under both EU GDPR and Turkish internet security laws (probably shared by a lot of oppressive and semi-oppressive regimes). That law states you have to keep the poster IP address of every post on the site and turn them over on court order. Obviously, as with every law in Turkey, the enforcement is very subjective (for…

> You can't be compliant under both EU GDPR and Turkish internet security laws [...] states you have to keep the poster IP address of every post on the site

GDPR does have specific exemptions for holding/processing data per legal requirements.

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