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Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by rimliu »

Bizarro wrote: post #338
rimliu wrote: post #157

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> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. Good. We don't need that much "news" anyway. And I think my need would be more than covered by national TV which is sponsored by taxpayers money and BBC, which also has no advertising. There really won't be much of the value lost if we won't have sensationalized and invented news any more. Another point to consider is that need for news or just for some brai…

Good. We don't need that much "news" anyway. The "we" is where you have a problem.

Ok, care to share why you personally need to be fed news 24/7. What's so important and fulfilling to know about the latest antics of some celebrity, or some crime blown out of the proportion so much that you will think a killer is waiting for you on each corner, etc. What value does it add apart from creating more anxiety? Not to mention that news tend to misreport things a lot. (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-ge...)

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Post by ec109685 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #321
ec109685 wrote: post #312

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Do you have any citations for this belief? The law is pretty explicit that you need consent to collect data from users, they need to be able to view what you collected and they need to be able to delete it. Are you hoping that nobody notices that you aren’t complying?

The point was that "if you respect your users and have some ethics", you're likely already almost entirely compliant with GDPR.

That's not true.

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Post by ec109685 »

r00fus wrote: post #352
ec109685 wrote: post #307

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The author is wrong. You just do what google does and ask for consent before providing access to the site. The user doesn’t need to log in to consent. Once consented, the site can set a cookie. Then that user becomes part of your “Full interaction users” bucket.

What if they don't consent? Will you have not do analytics for that user? You can't block that user as per GDPR if they are simply answering no to the consent.

Yes you can block. See the YouTube example.

As long as you have a valid reason to collect the data for the benefit of the user experience, you can make that a requirement to use the site.

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Post by downandout »

zorked wrote: post #369
downandout wrote: post #305

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There are thousands of types of sites, such as geographically focused message boards, local professionals, smaller ecommerce sites, etc. who are exposed under the GDPR but for whom EU traffic is incidental and worth nothing. A US plumber doesn’t need or want appointments in London, but is technically exposed under the GDPR. So for businesses like this, blocking EU traffic should be an easy decision - there is no down…

IANAL but I believe the GDPR is tolerant of incidental traffic. So if an European accesses a local job board in South Korea, the EU will not go after the Korean company and demand compliance. Now if said Korean company is running a job board for Berlin, in German, charging in Euros, etc. it's a different story.

That, along with many other parts of the GDPR, is both open for interpretation and may vary from country to country within the EU. See https://aristilabs.com/how-the-gdpr-apply-to-your-us-based-c...

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Post by arkh »

mlinksva wrote: post #3

> Today, for instance, we see that a majority of people who install an ad blocker don't actually do it to block ads (that's just an added bonus). They are actually doing it to block tracking. Is there any evidence for this at all?

Not a majority. But I know GA is staying in the "not trusted" list of Noscript.

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Post by merinowool »

geofft wrote: post #273
merinowool wrote: post #272

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Capitalism is the most free of all, from there the more you turn left the more authoritarian it gets.

Why is democracy not the most free of all? Let one person have one vote - not one dollar have one vote.

It is not, as one could say it is a tyranny of majority...

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Post by merinowool »

kuschku wrote: post #316
merinowool wrote: post #271

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So is that going to be another parcel of life under the state control? It is easy to predict such tools are going to be abused (for example excluding products from a producer that has opposite political views to the currently ruling people)

Every company today that you rely on to discover products will shape what you see for their own advantage. Google puts their own ads more prominently and bans competitors from certain ad spaces, Amazon does the same, as does even Yahoo. And your worst fear is that maybe the government might end up just as bad as the companies that you see as alternative?

There is a difference thought - you can't have multiple governments to choose from at any given time. State always limit the choice.

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Post by merinowool »

tempestn wrote: post #361
merinowool wrote: post #261

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Why is it? Do you mean marketing people rather than webmasters? Won't webmasters have logs?

In order to gain insight into how users interact with your website. This allows improvements to user experience. GA is definitely not only useful for marketing.

You can do user sessions/workshops, which would be more valuable.

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Post by merinowool »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #319
merinowool wrote: post #258

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So if you get 100000 individual requests is that going to be excessive? There are people organising already to send such requests to various sites.

Unless your PII workflow is bonkers, you should be able to respond to those letters in mostly automated fashion. I mean, you do handle your data in mostly universal way, instead of randomly copying pieces of your database to random parties? Right?

How do you automate checking if person requesting the data is the person claims to be. How do you automate reading an email and giving meaningful response?

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Post by mgiannopoulos »

r00fus wrote: post #352
ec109685 wrote: post #307

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The author is wrong. You just do what google does and ask for consent before providing access to the site. The user doesn’t need to log in to consent. Once consented, the site can set a cookie. Then that user becomes part of your “Full interaction users” bucket.

What if they don't consent? Will you have not do analytics for that user? You can't block that user as per GDPR if they are simply answering no to the consent.

You can argue that GA is critical to the existence of the site, so you are allowed to block non-consenting users. I hope anyway :)
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